question: proviron

[bigozzie101]

hey guys. started my cycle already. its consists of dbol for 4 weeks and then sus 250 for 6 weeks. im takin the sus twice per week (i kno people r gonna say EOD but im takin 2 inj a week just my personal preference) for 5 weeks then the last week on the sus im just takin 1 injection. i have one question tho. can proviron be used by itself as a sole pct simply because where im located (aus) im not sure if i can get my hands on clomid and nolva but proviron i can get right now pretty much. also how long should i keep taking proviron after i have finished my cycle. cheers guys.

[BajanBastard]

Why only 6 weeks? You're cutting yourself short. Can't you get nolvadex at least?

[bigozzie101]

ill do some "research" in the up-comin days and see if i can or cant if i can use both together right and if not.......will proviron be effective by itself???

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[bigozzie101]

ok can u answer my question copperhead instead of tellin me how f*cked up my cycle is (the original question was referrin to proviron). im only doin 6 weeks sus cuz i dont think i can get clomid/nolva but if i can ill extent it to 10 weeks min (also im doin 4 weeks dbol already to kickstart the cycle) and i was thinkin on lowin the dosage of the sus at the end of the cycle. still dis-agree???

[2bshredded]

Dude...it's only for your good guys like copper comment on your cycle, use the resources here. I mean, if you have a specific aggenda you should let it be known up front. Just my opinion! Just trying to help bro.

[bigozzie101]

ok fair enough but can anyone here help me with my original question tho? dbol 4 weeks then sust 6-10 weeks (dependin if i can get both clomid and nolva) but at the moment its just proviron am i in the clear am i ok with just proviron? thanks again guys

[BajanBastard]

Proviron is IMO great for PCT but i don't know if it effective alone. No need for both clomid and nolva, just get the nolva.

[bigozzie101]

thanks bruvva ill have a look round the next couple of days and see what i can find. what would b the recommended dosage for nolva and should i start taking it (if i do get my mits on em) 2 weeks after my last sus injection? once again cheers guys.

[Anabolios]

you cant get lions stuff to where you live?

[juiceboxxx]

run the sustanon for 12 weeks. 6 weeks is a waste because ideally thats the time where it actually kicks in. Meaning when it kicks in at the 6 week point, you are going to finish your cycle? that seems dumb bro!

Yes you can run proviron for pct and also through out your cycle. run the proviron 50mgs/ed if your going to run it through out your cycle and if you want to run it for pct run it at 75mgs/ed (3 tabs most likly ) that is if your getting the 25mg tablets from Schering.

for mor info about proviron and the use of it for pct go here >>>>>

http://www.steroid.com/Proviron.php

I would personally wait till you get enough sust for a 12 week cycle at 500mgs/week its okay.

[juiceboxxx]

thanks bruvva ill have a look round the next couple of days and see what i can find. what would b the recommended dosage for nolva and should i start taking it (if i do get my mits on em) 2 weeks after my last sus injection? once again cheers guys.

Start pct 2 weeks after last injection.........

Nolvadex........

Day 1-10 100mgs/Ed
Day 2-21 50mgs/Ed

[juiceboxxx]

ok fair enough but can anyone here help me with my original question tho? dbol 4 weeks then sust 6-10 weeks (dependin if i can get both clomid and nolva) but at the moment its just proviron am i in the clear am i ok with just proviron? thanks again guys

Yes your okay to run proviron alone. All you running is d-bol and sus everything else is pct.

No need for it. I would just run the Proviron for pct. If you really want to add something else then add Clomid.

I dont even think you see any signs of gyno with this cycle ( I strongly doubt it) but if you want to be on the safe side have some nolva on hand before begining the cycle.

[BajanBastard]

I don't believe in that takes 4-6 week to kick in crap. From the time it's injected the drug starts to work, especially with sust. Although 10-12 weeks would have been ideal the notion that he would not make gains in 6 week is IMO asinine.

[bigozzie101]

thanks heaps guys

[juiceboxxx]

I don't believe in that takes 4-6 week to kick in crap. From the time it's injected the drug starts to work, especially with sust. Although 10-12 weeks would have been ideal the notion that he would not make gains in 6 week is IMO asinine.

Well for most people ideally it takes anywhere between 4-6 weeks for the sustanon to kick in. This maybe different for you. Everyone reacts to it different as well, depending on your body and the actual gear you use.

[juiceboxxx]

If he wants a test that reacts fast for a 6 week cycle (even though I dont agree with a 6 week cycle of this idea) it will still be better then taking the sust for 6 weeks.

I would go with test prop or test E

[Anabolios]

If he wants a test that reacts fast for a 6 week cycle (even though I dont agree with a 6 week cycle of this idea) it will still be better then taking the sust for 6 weeks.

I would go with test prop or test E

test e would take longer than the sust because it is a single long ester...sust has 2 short esters so the effect will be felt faster but prop def a good idea if insisting on going only 6 weeks

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[juiceboxxx]

I never said "for most peopel"... I said for ME it took that long! And I don't believe in "especially with sust" because the MAJORITY of the esters in Sust are VERY LONG esters (longer than test e/c).

Sure, the drug starts working right away. But I really didn't feel any big gains until about midway through the cycle.

dude I think he was refering to my statement but I guess we both had the same opinion so mehh.

[juiceboxxx]

test e would take longer than the sust because it is a single long ester...sust has 2 short esters so the effect will be felt faster but prop def a good idea if insisting on going only 6 weeks

Agreed, so why not just take test prop for 6 weeks ( if you must run something for 6 weeks) bigozzie?????

[BajanBastard]

Take a look at sust again... most of it is very long esters. Only 30mg of prop... hardly something to jumpstart with.

Most of sust is not made up of 'very long' esters, prop and phenylprop are short iso is intermediate and decanoate is long. You said the 6 weeks was 'worthless' (as in see no gains?) and I disagree, with a solid eating and training program and assuming he has average-good genetics he can gain a solid 7-10 lbs.

[Stumbo]

surprised nobody pointed out that he was going to take dbol THEN sust, not a typical dbol kickstarter.

Interesting idea.

If you wish to discuss it with us bigozzie101, im sure you will get some very interesting and perhapse mind-changing input on this. If you feel you have researched enough and dont neccessarily need our input, thats fine too!

[Stumbo]

I guess i should try my shot at the question too....

IMHO, you may need a bit more help than just the proviron. Proviron is awsome stuff, dont get me wrong! You are going to be on gear for over 10 weeks (if i understand correctly, doing dbol for 4 weeks then sust for 6), and the sust will probably keep you shut down for 8+ (due to the longer esters staying in your system) so you may be shut down for over 12 weeks! I would try my hardest to get ahold of some nolva and use that along with your proviron. However, if all you can get is the proviron, dont forget all those silly vitamines and herbs that should help you get going, every little bit helps! (ZMA, and tribulus are my personal favs ) I personally would stay on the proviron for atleast 4 weeks (start 1.5-2 weeks after last shot), maybe even up to 6!

But who knows! Everybody is different! Proviron may be all you need! I know guys who have a hard time recovering after a mild 8 week cycle, and I know others who dont even need one after a 5 month run with tren!

How do you typically recover? Easy? Hard?

[vitor]

I like shorter cycles b/C recovery will be alot faster, which means you can cycle more often, and make/retain more gains. 6-weeks is ideal for a normal-cycle with fast-acting compounds.

If only Test is used 1mg Proviron, per 10mgs Test is recomended. If d-bol is added, get some nolva too.

[Testostack]

Proviron is a great hardening/ test bumper. love it!!

[BITTAPART2]

proviron will block estrogen production so if you take it throughout your cycle then you dont need to run nolva during your cycle. BUT after you are finished w/ this run you should consider getting something to stimulate LH so that you get up and running again, proviron will not be able to do this, it will help w/ your sex drive and erections but it willl do nothing in the way of restoring your HTPA. clomid is my favorite for this restoration period but a lot of people think nolva is better, it is all about what works for the individual. Having said that, I know it is hard to find in australlia so I would llok into getting some tongkat ali, a good concentration and taking 2x the recc dosage

[Testostack]

Proviron and nolva along are just fine!

[bigozzie101]

im plannin on takin proviron on the 5th weeks (1st sus injection) and continuing usin it til probably 2-4 weeks after i have completed my cycle. (should i stop usin proviron on my last sus injection?) yeah gettin sh!t into australia is f*cking hard real hard so ill scope round in the comin weeks and see what i can get my hands on. yeah stumbo i usually recover good hey thats why i think im a fan of the short cycles and + the gains i make i usually keep. cheers guys