Blood Results In

[tvd220]

I got my results back for my pre accutane blood test. Can anyone explain to me the results I had that were out of range??

Lipid panel
cholesterol total 173
hdl cholesterol 9 l
cholesterol/hdl ratio 19.2 h
ldl chol, calculated 138 h

[tvd220]

were these high and lows in result of my cycle i was on?

[tvd220]

sorry to bump my old thread, but are these numbers ok?? This is me coming out of pct 5 weeks ago

[Kale]

Normally a blood test will come back with a list of the acceptable ranges next to what you scored. Doesnt your blood tests rsults show that ? The Doctor would have told you if they were out of range as well.

[tvd220]

yea, the h means high and the l means low

[thebrakes]

holy crap your HDL was 9???? should be over 40. that's very bad. how long had you been off 17aa's at this point?

[stupidhippo]

not good at all.. If I was you I wouldnt cycle for a while..

[tvd220]

thats weird, because this was my "pre accutane" blood test like 2 months ago,and I have had about 4 blood test since then.
This was the only one they gave me a copy of. And they also told me that my bloodlevels were fine to start accutane.
The last time i did an oral was about 6 months ago, at at very low dose....

PS they have still been giving me my accutane, and I am off cycle

[shadyadam]

WOW a 9....shit i wouldent even think about another cycle, WTF did you run all orals lol. (i'm just mess'n with ya)

[tvd220]

thats the point, I didnt even run oral only. I ran some dbol about 6 months at like 30mg ed for 4 weeks, go figure!

How do I bring it up? If its so bad,why are they give me accutane??

[Ufa]

WOW a 9....shit i wouldent even think about another cycle, WTF did you run all orals lol. (i'm just mess'n with ya)

Me neither. You can get pills like Zocor, Vitorin, that will help you
with your cholesterol numbers. Takes about two weeks to kick in.

You been eating the correct foods? Don't even think about a cycle
until your numbers come back in Normal Range HDL (H) that is the high
one should be over 50 The LDL (L) low number can be as low as; well
my girlfriend was (8). If you keep up this you will clog your arteries.

Good luck. Glad you got your blood checked.

[tvd220]

Yea, Im gonna call up and get my most recent blood levels and post it back, because this is almost 2 months old, "hopefully" I have improved. This is me durring my first week of pct

[shadyadam]

Not to beat a dead horse here but def keep your diet in check! Good luck!!

[tvd220]

OK my current blood LIPAD PANEL is"

total cholesterol 195 good, under 200
HDL cholesterol 15 Low; should be more then 40
LDL Cholesterol 151 High, should be under 130

MY doctor told me its not that bad, an still good enough to run accutane full strenght

I improved on my HDL, but my LDL has raised a bit, what should I do??

my doc said fish oil pills

[magic32]

thats weird, because this was my "pre accutane" blood test like 2 months ago,and I have had about 4 blood test since then.
This was the only one they gave me a copy of. And they also told me that my bloodlevels were fine to start accutane.
The last time i did an oral was about 6 months ago, at at very low dose....

PS they have still been giving me my accutane, and I am off cycle

You can still get copies.

Current...as in when?

M.

[tvd220]

3/30/06

[tvd220]

this was the last blood test i got, I just called them and they faxed me over the results

Also on a good note, the rest of the test which consist of "hepatic function panel" Is Very good, everything with in range, improved since first pre accutane test

Also, keep in consideratoin, the accutane may be hurting my chol levels...

[Ufa]

Best of luck..

[stupidhippo]

since accutane effects the liver its not a very far out conclusion that it also effects blood lipids (since the are manufactured there). Same reason why I suspect that orals are so bad for the lipids anyway. Your doc is prolly right that this wont kill you and you can continue accutane BUT does he know you are gonna cycle and u have done it already? Im suspecting he thinks its ok for u to continue accutane since after a while you will stop it and then he thinks ur lipids are gonna improve. If u r gonna cycle then in the future this might mess things up. Anyhoo if i was u I wouldnt cycle for a while.. not until your values have normalized and been normal for some time. I have not yet found anything to show how harmful it is in the long run that the lipids get messed up intermittently (cycling on off..) does it increasi the risk for CVD and to a what degree?

[tvd220]

Call your doctor and ask him to phone in a perscription for a (statin)
Zocor, ect. It will lower your cholesterol big time. I got stents in my
heart so I know the Cardio thing very well. This is something every one
should pay attention to.

Ok thanks for the advise, this doc is my derm, so I dont know is she can do this, and I dont see a reg doctor, but Ill have to make an appointment with a primary care doctor

[tvd220]

since accutane effects the liver its not a very far out conclusion that it also effects blood lipids (since the are manufactured there). Same reason why I suspect that orals are so bad for the lipids anyway. Your doc is prolly right that this wont kill you and you can continue accutane BUT does he know you are gonna cycle and u have done it already? Im suspecting he thinks its ok for u to continue accutane since after a while you will stop it and then he thinks ur lipids are gonna improve. If u r gonna cycle then in the future this might mess things up. Anyhoo if i was u I wouldnt cycle for a while.. not until your values have normalized and been normal for some time. I have not yet found anything to show how harmful it is in the long run that the lipids get messed up intermittently (cycling on off..) does it increasi the risk for CVD and to a what degree?

sound advise, thankyou. Do test cycles and deca cycles effects your values negatively like this?

[tvd220]

I was under the assumption that deca postively effects your liver values, and test does not really effect it.
Only orals effect you liver becasue it broken down by the liver.

[tvd220]

i mean your cholesterol, when i said liver values

[stupidhippo]

not completely so... all pharmacology textbooks Ive read say that test alters the hdl and the LDL values negatively. Then I have seen some studies stating the opposite (but mostly on hyopgonadal men). Test and deca will prolly affect it too but not to that extent. On a side note: my lipid values worsened while on test and deca - especially the HDL..

[tvd220]

ok so your saying a test and deca cycle will probably effect liver values, but not too much.
Definally need to stay away from 17-a orals durring accutane treatment, or until my values improve.

[tvd220]

this is why i feel that my elevated levels are not becasue of my as use, but more from my accutane. Because I have been off for 2 months, and my LDL is higher then it was when i has just stoped my cycle and started pct

[stupidhippo]

wouldnt surprise me at all... If you plan on doing cycles in the future.... for years to come I suggest u take a brake now, just to be safe...

[tvd220]

yea i wont start until my liver chol is better

[Lavinco]

what is your diet like?

[tvd220]

well its high protein and hi cal. but I feel my carbs are to high. I eat mostly italian and spanish food ie pasta and chicken. Red meat twice a week. no sweets besides eneergy drinks and soda....

[Lavinco]

your diet does not sound too far off.

Last year I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes just before I did my first cycle of dbol and followed by some TEST E.

My blood results then indicated a cholestorol level of over 225 with ldl at 160 and hdl around 20.

I cut most of the sugar out of my diet, quit drinking soda, ate lots of chicken and high protein foods along with lots of protein shakes, vitamins and supps everyday followed by a good workout plan with NO cardio.

I managed to bring almost all my blood levels to a normal range in 5 months even though I did a cycle.

My HDL is now 38 (40 is healthy)
LDL is 108 (100 is healthy)
and total is 166 down from 225


just keep a close eye on your diet and supps like flaxseed oil and olive oil and get a good workout plan if you don't have one already.

[tvd220]

your diet does not sound too far off.

Last year I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes just before I did my first cycle of dbol and followed by some TEST E.

My blood results then indicated a cholestorol level of over 225 with ldl at 160 and hdl around 20.

I cut most of the sugar out of my diet, quit drinking soda, ate lots of chicken and high protein foods along with lots of protein shakes, vitamins and supps everyday followed by a good workout plan with NO cardio.

I managed to bring almost all my blood levels to a normal range in 5 months even though I did a cycle.

My HDL is now 38 (40 is healthy)
LDL is 108 (100 is healthy)
and total is 166 down from 225


just keep a close eye on your diet and supps like flaxseed oil and olive oil and get a good workout plan if you don't have one already.

Thanx bro, you gave me a little hope, i was starting to get worried.
So are you telling me I should or shouldnt use flaxseed oil and olive oil?
My mom has type 1 and my dad has type 2.....my luck huh?
My doctor told me to not be too concerned, my total is good, and considering im on accutane, it could be worse. But she does not know I cycle, so I want to try to stablize my liver values before I start going back on

[Lavinco]

Thanx bro, you gave me a little hope, i was starting to get worried.
So are you telling me I should or shouldnt use flaxseed oil and olive oil?
My mom has type 1 and my dad has type 2.....my luck huh?
My doctor told me to not be too concerned, my total is good, and considering im on accutane, it could be worse. But she does not know I cycle, so I want to try to stablize my liver values before I start going back on

Yes take flaxseed oil. Get the pills if you cant stand the taste and take one with every meal and/or protein shake.
Use olive oil for cooking your food that requires oil but use a lower heat because olive oil likes to burn your food a little at higher heat. you can also use olive oil on your salads and put garlic in it and dip bread or rolls in it. Mm mm good!

My doc has no idea that I cycle either. As a matter of fact, a couple weeks ago she told me to keep doing what ever it is I'm doing once she saw the good results of my bloodwork.
She said by looking at my bloodwork that she would never even know I was a diebetis anymore.

As far as it goes with liver values, take Milk Thistle (i'ts a pill) along with some vitamin C and take Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) with a biotin pill 1/2 hour before every meal.
These are both very good liver aids and the vitamin C and Biotin make the shit work even better.

If you have diabetes yourself or are prediabetic the ALA is really going to benefit you. It stabalizes your glucose levels and this is also why you don't take it without eating.

If you take ALA without eating, it will lower your blood sugar a little lower than what you want and then you'll be all shaky and have a hard time concentrating on anything.

[tvd220]

[QUOTE=Lavinco]Yes take flaxseed oil. Get the pills if you cant stand the taste and take one with every meal and/or protein shake.
Use olive oil for cooking your food that requires oil but use a lower heat because olive oil likes to burn your food a little at higher heat. you can also use olive oil on your salads and put garlic in it and dip bread or rolls in it. Mm mm good!

im italian, so im basically made of olive oil!!

[tvd220]

Yes take flaxseed oil. Get the pills if you cant stand the taste and take one with every meal and/or protein shake.
Use olive oil for cooking your food that requires oil but use a lower heat because olive oil likes to burn your food a little at higher heat. you can also use olive oil on your salads and put garlic in it and dip bread or rolls in it. Mm mm good!

My doc has no idea that I cycle either. As a matter of fact, a couple weeks ago she told me to keep doing what ever it is I'm doing once she saw the good results of my



id by looking at my bloodwork that she would never even know I was a diebetis anymore.

As far as it goes with liver values, take Milk Thistle (i'ts a pill) along with some vitamin C and take Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) with a biotin pill 1/2 hour before every meal.
These are both very good liver aids and the vitamin C and Biotin make the shit work even better.

If you have diabetes yourself or are prediabetic the ALA is really going to benefit you. It stabalizes your glucose levels and this is also why you don't take it without eating.

If you take ALA without eating, it will lower your blood sugar a little lower than what you want and then you'll be all shaky and have a hard time concentrating on anything.

Great post bro, thanks. Can i get these suplements from cvs, or gnc? Or do I have to order online?

[Lavinco]

Great post bro, thanks. Can i get these suplements from cvs, or gnc? Or do I have to order online?

I get some at GNC and some at Walmart.
I prefer the ALA from walmart but get the rest at GNC.

Some will try to sell you on a product called Glucorrell-R which is a combonation of ALA and Biotin.

They have a convincing story of why their product is supreme and all else is shit but I will dissagree with them all day long until they drop their price down from $30.00 for a bottle of 60 count.

The other brands work just as well. I have tried all of them.