i dont exactly agree with that logic UFA. I do think though that you can manage without the shakes but for me they make life easier. recovery drink is pretty good to have but other than that they are not necessary IMO. example from real lifE: I was in prison for a year and we were not allowed to have any supplements there. I only ate regular food and then cottage cheese, tuna and such bought from the cantina. I weighed 190 lbs before prison and 260 lbs after. I did gain plenty of fat too but I gained better than ever in my life. AND I was natty. Then I got out and bought all kinds of supplements and I completely plateaud. Many reasons could explain that but my point is that supplements can help but they are not miracle workers and if u work hard enough u can survive without them.