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    Quote Originally Posted by Oki-Des
    But what do patents have to do with the FDA? I have patents on my medical technologies and then had them approved by the FDA. But the patents were simply to keep anyone else from making my patented technology. The patents had nothing to do with the FDA for my situation. I had to them go to the FDA to ensure I was selling a safe device to the public. Because of the nature of my invention, I must obtain a prescription from a physician enabling me to offer my device. The FDA does not make any money from me though. In fact, if you start a new medical company, your first product goes through the process free of charge to help promote small businesses. It sounds like you just finished the book "Natural Cures" and I agree with many of the things in that book. I just dont think everything about the FDA is all bad. Also, whenever you come up with a truly new and good idea, if you think it has marketable potential, you really should get a patent. But, the FDA never asked me about my patent while registering with them. I do not think the FDA would have answered my 513G device evaluation any differently whether or not my patent went through. Anyway, whenever I hear something is a dietary supplement, I know you better do your own research to determine if you want the ingredients that specific product has. If you listen to what the company says, you may not get what you wanted.
    need to work on your quoting on these threads bro. your posts are coming out mixed with my quotes.

    anyway, as far as the "natural cures" book, i have read his book and found some of the information to be accurate, some not so much. i always research info from several sources to determine it's accuracy but yes, that is a small part of where my research is based.

    as far as what patents have to do with the FDA, though the FDA doesn't directly make money off of patents, it does make money through taxes. higher prices means higher taxes which means more money for the FDA. now if something can be patented, that means one company alone can market it without any other company legally being able to for a number of years. however, if something can't be patented, that means far more competition, which means lower prices, which in the long run means less taxes. also, the costs for chemically synthesized products are far more expensive than simple herbs and extracts. this also means far more money from those kind of companies for the FDA through taxes based on expenses.

    if you think the FDA is so concerned for our health rather than their wallets, here's something to take a look at: http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...r_profits.html the FDA has always been and always will be about profits at the expense of the consumer. after all, look at cigarettes. they not only allow cigarettes on the market knowing very well their health risks, but they even allow the tobacco companies to add all those toxins like tar, ammonia, arsenic, and literally over 300 other toxic chemicals to their cigarettes to supposedly increase their addictive qualities. now you gonna still try to act as if the FDA is looking out for us???

    here is another example of where the FDA is more concerned about profits than the publics health/safety: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Sep9.html i could literally give you a list of websites showing things they've gotten caught doing that were underhanded at the expense of the consumer. now, lets show me some things they've done that were truly with our best interest in mind without the media and general public basically forcing their hand to do so? i can assure you, you'll fall well short in that area of evidence.

    as far as what you said about a medical company, yes if it's meds, then they'll assist you to an extent knowing what potential future profits lie in doing so. however, start a new herbal remedy company and they'll give you the go without any assistance, then once they know you've pulled in a decent profit, they'll shut you down and confiscate all profits. i've seen it done over a dozen times to perfectly legitimate products.

    as far as your suggestion on doing your own research into products and their claims, i strongly agree. however, i also advise doing the same for prescription meds (which if at all possible, i encourage people to avoid). prescription meds tend to have far more severe health consequences as opposed to the typical supplements found on the market. this is another reason the FDA backs meds over anything else is the fact that meds can potentially cause numerous other health problems when taken, hence more money spent, and then you're back to more money for the FDA.

    on a final note about the FDA, i also know many pharmaceutical companies hand them money "under the table" or provide FDA employees with "partnerships" in order to pull strings. considering those pharmaceutical companies make far more profit from their overpriced meds as opposed to herbal companies, naturally the FDA wants more of them around. after all, who would you rather be around, a ton of people with very little money, or a handfull of people with a lot of money willing to throw some your way for some "favors"? i'll do some more research on where FDA pulls profits from and get back to you on more of this later.

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    so...........i'm the only one that spend his life saving on avatarushfdasha (whatever the **** its called)

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    Ascendant,very good info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    Ascendant,very good info.
    Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    Ascendant,very good info.
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    Ditto.
    thanks much guys. just trying to keep everyone informed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc.Sust
    it is just a down right shame,some teenager will see this add and dump ther last 100bucks on this crap with hopes of becoming a monster and get zero from it, i used to be that kid until i started to read and learn
    He will get something, some liver and kidney damage.

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    they should tell about the massive dosages of steroids he used along with the product.....

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    you all may think muscletech are scumbags but the owners or creators or whatever are prob sooooooooo rich

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    fu_king muscle tech. they piss me off, especially cause when i was younger i actually believed their bullsh_t. all it took was several hundred dollars spent on cell tech and nitrotech to realize this company is full of sh_t

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    its pretty easy to fall for that kind of crap if you dont have any knowledge of what will really get you results. thats why everyone should be a member of this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flack
    its pretty easy to fall for that kind of crap if you dont have any knowledge of what will really get you results. thats why everyone should be a member of this board.
    exactly. that's why boards like this are great. back in the day before forums and discussion boards, you had to rely on word of mouth, which for the most part was pointless. you give a lot of those people sugar cubes and they'd swear by them as well.

    these boards get some really in-depth, unbiased info that you just can't find anywhere else. i'm very glad i managed to find out about boards like this, particularly this one, as it's by far the largest and most informative because of that fact out of any i've yet to see.

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