your not hearing him or me. He has reasons he can't do roids. And I'm saying that 1-test isn't like that shitty andro it actually does work pretty decently. Not as good as steroids but not too shabbily either. Its 700 times more androgenic than testosterone, only problem with it is its irritating, thats why it was never persued as an actual steroid, you can't inject it for this reason, some have tried and it hurt too bad. And since you can't inject it you have to use large amounts of it to get enough of it into your system. But it is a steroid in every sense of the word, it isn't a precurser like the pro-hormones.