HGH & High Blood Pressure

[smurphy_92781]

Has any one had experience w/ this . I am taking 5 IU Daily of Jin
my bp has gone up to 100/140 I am currently taking BP medication so already predisposed to this.

35/180

[abcde]

I posted this about 6 months ago, no one replied to it. May have some info you might find interesting:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=210791

HGH= high blood pressure=coronary probs?

I just changed to EOD because of HGH water/swelling sides, hoping that EOD will minimize this problem. I also check my blood pressure, so I'm hoping this (potential heart attack) is not a problem. Because I found this at *************, posted byFullyBuilt:

Why the hell do so many people hold tremendous amount of water while on GH. Especially in doses of 4iu's+ i've noticed its too much water. I've tried cabergoline to reduce prolactin and nolva for estro, but there is another reason why some of us hold so much damn water. Check this article out. Maybe it makes sense. Anyone know whats up. Im thinking the water is potassium related. Maybe there is a way to stop this. Check this article out. Maybe it might make sense.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 16

I had a discussion on another board about what causes the water retention from HGH and what can be done about it. Doctor Speer thinks that it is caused by ADH and be controlled with Clonidine. "Rager 2500" thinks the water retention is caused by Renin Angiotenisen Aldesterone and can be controlled by using captopril in combination with a mild thiazide.


Originally Posted by dr. livingstone

Doctor David Speer thinks the water retention from HGH is caused by an increased release of ADH:

"The water retension from HGH is due to increased secretion of ADH (anti- diuretic hormone) from the posterior pituitary.
This hormonal relationship is not in any medical literature. However, it must be true, because the water retension and hypertension are easily controlled by .2mg of clonidine q 12 hours (personal experience). Clonidine's primary action is retarding ADH secretion."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...n/message/7259

"Growth hormone, however, causes A.D.H. (Anti-Diuretic Hormone) to go up. ADH is a very potent coronary constrictor which also constricts veins. It is produced starting in the hypothalamus. The nerve endings of certain neurons in the hypothalamus reach into the posterior pituitary, and ADH and oxicitocin come from the posterior pituitary. ADH can go up to 20 times normal levels with fear, or anger, and stress. This can cause coronary constriction within minutes, and this can cause a massive heart attack.
Growth hormone makes ADH go up, and as a direct effect of this, water retention goes up, which causes higher blood pressure. ADH is dose dependent of GH, which is why you have to drop the dose if blood pressure goes up too high, until your circulatory system adjusts to handle it. This is the only bad side effect of an otherwise very good dose of growth hormone.
"Clonidine" is the safest high blood pressure medicine. It causes no side effects, and no impotency of any kind. It is indicated if you have high blood pressure due to ADH."

http://www.rajeun.net/bigdoc.html


Rager 2500:

I found his article as well when I was searching. The thing is, he has no medical research behind it to support his theory. I found 3 articles to support the idea of Renin Angiotenisen Aldesterone is responsible for HGH water bloat. They general idea was to take a blood pressure medication like clonidine, diovan, etc to ensure the blockage of the Angiotensin receptor. The only problem is, blood pressure meds are classified differently such as clonidine and diovan being ARB blockers and captopril being an ACE blocker. Well, it works out that we need the ACE blocker which blocks the Angiotensin Converting Enzyme. Anyways the studies show that you need an ACE blocker with something that blocks the aldesterone pathway like a thiazide dierutic. We had clonidine on hand first, but couldnt figure out why it wasnt working. Thats when we did a further search and found what I posted above. I've tried dostinex (prolactin), clonidine, diovan, and cozzar(all ARB blockers). The only thing that has dried my training partner and I are the captopril with a mild thiazide. I dont try to come off as a HGH guru, just trying to help some bros out here that have been experiencing the problems. Dr. Speer was on the right track, just never did any studies to back it up. Hope this helps Livingstone. I always loved Jins cause of the price and quality, but never wanted to deal with the water bloat.

[Seattle Junk]

Good post abcde. I read the article on Big Doc. Crazy old dude but his theory on how to take GH makes a lot sense. I have a friend who took it 1 week on, 1 week off last year and he said it worked good.

[Ufa]

I did not bother to read that long post. GH will lower your blood pressure not raise it.

Two solutions for high blood pressure I use both. First, a BP medicine, second,
hawthorne berry. It was recommended on this Forum and you can go to health foods store and buy it for a few bucks and it works. I take my blood pressure a couple of times a day on average.

[oldman]

I did not bother to read that long post. GH will lower your blood pressure not raise it. Is this your theory or are you going to provide facts? If you want to help here great but don't make blanket statements and walk away that is useless.


Two solutions for high blood pressure I use both. First, a BP medicine, second,
hawthorne berry. It was recommended on this Forum and you can go to health foods store and buy it for a few bucks and it works. I take my blood pressure a couple of times a day on average.

Your first statement contradicts your second. GH lowers your BP but you take BP meds?? Hows does this work? So what you're saying is if we take GH we should have lower BP but still take BP meds anyway?? Gosh sorry I just can't seem to get the concept here.


~Old

[Seattle Junk]

GH can increase your BP because of water retention due to increased secretion of ADH.

I'm going thru the water retention deal right now on Jin. Nothing bad just a little extra water and tingling/numbing of the hands usually when waking in the morning. How long does this usually last before your body adapts to the increased rHGH?

[Ufa]

Your first statement contradicts your second. GH lowers your BP but you take BP meds?? Hows does this work? So what you're saying is if we take GH we should have lower BP but still take BP meds anyway?? Gosh sorry I just can't seem to get the concept here.

~Old

Sounds like you just want to argue and misconstrue my words. Be your bad self. GH lowers my blood pressure. I take BP for annother reason. I have
4 stents in my heart. I know a thing or 2 about cardio.

I don't read SPAM. I'd rather hear about personal experiences. I could quote
volumes of research. However, I'd sound like the other parrots.

You call your self old man at 38. you are a youngster.

[oldman]

WTF are you talking about? You post saying you did not bother reading and then post saying that the person is basically wrong but you do not provide any info at all.

We all learn from each others experience but when you come here and make half ass posts and leave it at that how do others learn.. i guess since you said it lowers BP we should all just say cool and leave it at that.

As far as my user name WTF does that have to do with anything? I guess I need to be an old **** like you to know something?

~Old

[Ufa]

WTF are you talking about? You post saying you did not bother reading and then post saying that the person is basically wrong but you do not provide any info at all.

We all learn from each others experience but when you come here and make half ass posts and leave it at that how do others learn.. i guess since you said it lowers BP we should all just say cool and leave it at that.

As far as my user name WTF does that have to do with anything? I guess I need to be an old **** like you to know something?

~Old

I was adressing the origional poster. All I said is that is lowers my blood pressure. I don't speak for any one but my self. I know more about
Cardio than most every body here except the mods.

You want to call your self oldman, fine. I'm old enough to be your father.

Do you have any personal experiences you would like to share or are you
here to tear and to poke holes in other's personal experiences.

[oldman]

I was adressing the origional poster. All I said is that is lowers my blood pressure.

No you did not, you said

GH will lower your blood pressure not raise it

I don't speak for any one but my self. I know more about Cardio than most every body here except the mods.

>> So the mods and you are the only ones on this whole forum of 50K people that know about cardio? How do you know what I know? what makes you the expert? What I think is you are is a BS'r

You want to call your self oldman, fine. I'm old enough to be your father.

>> Wow that's neat.. Glad you proved you are older than me. And your point is?

Do you have any personal experiences you would like to share or are you
here to tear and to poke holes in other's personal experiences.

>>Personal experience yes I have been on GH for almost a year and my BP is higher now and I retain more water than before. My BP is about 8-10 points higher than a year ago. I do cardio 45 minutes a day 7 days a week so I think I know a little about it too.. I guess I don't have a ****ed up heart so you are one up on me.

Yes you were addressing the OP and you said that they were wrong that GH does not raise BP but it lowers it. All I said was give us more info.

I NEVER said you were wrong I said give more info.


~Old (oops if it is okay to use that name)
Ps learn how to spell please.. goodness.

[Ufa]

OLDMAN try using a pulse meter while you are on treadmill. Do your GH before you do your cardio. Don't eat or drink anything but water 2 hours before cardio. Now look down at your BP. Nice, I told you so.

I went to Cardio Doc yesterday for stress test. All is fine.

Sometimes when we are on a 3 or 4 aas it's hard to tell where the BP spike is coming from. How is your HDL and LDL. To much HDL will clog your arteries and result in higher blood pressure. Var gives me a little spike.

Any way it was nice sparing with you. Hope you live a healthy and prosperous life.

[oldman]

OLDMAN try using a pulse meter while you are on treadmill. Do your GH before you do your cardio. Don't eat or drink anything but water 2 hours before cardio. Now look down at your BP. Nice, I told you so.

I honestly can't even understand what you are trying to say here? I get up at 4am every morning and do my GH and then hit cardio for 45mins (empty stomach). I wear a HR monitor the whole time what exactly are you trying to say? What does "Nice, I told you so" mean? what did you tell me? honestly you did not tell me anything. I think you are having conversations in your head and not typing it all out because that makes zero sense at all.

I went to Cardio Doc yesterday for stress test. All is fine.

>> That is good to hear I am glad you are in fine health that is what we all want, that is good news.

Sometimes when we are on a 3 or 4 aas it's hard to tell where the BP spike is coming from. How is your HDL and LDL. To much HDL will clog your arteries and result in higher blood pressure. Var gives me a little spike.

>> I am pretty informed about what AAS is and what it does but I am not on 3-4 compounds and never touches VAR in my life

Any way it was nice sparing with you. Hope you live a healthy and prosperous life.

^^ right back at you.. Be safe and enjoy.


~Old

[znak]

I did not bother to read that long post. GH will lower your blood pressure not raise it.

Ufa- careful my friend! Reading is good and hgh can certainly raise your BP.

It does for me, and the Long Post was a fantastic explanation of why it does.

There are are lot of solid people here and Oldman is among them.

Please do not piss on people's head or insult them/

znak