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[1buffsob]

In regards to the bold print, THIS IS INCORRECT, AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ELABORATE ON HOW TREN 'BRINGS IT ALL TOGETHER'.

Until you do that I'm calling BULL SHIT, AND A BIG STINKY PILE OF IT. I'm not going to even tough on the EQ side other then HOW MUCH ARE YOU TAKNG WEEKLY AND FOR HOW LONG?

As for the blend thing.....
After prop kicks in then goes out, the enth dosen't automatically kick in. It's still going to take 4-5 weeks to TAKE FULL EFFECT. Cyp takes 18 days to really build up in your system, so figure that one out. You'll be stopping the long esteres before they even had a chance to kick in. Their levels will start to fall before they really had a chance to build.

In regard to the 'pin cusion' theory. You're going to be a pin cusion if you use blends beause of the amount of time it's going to take for the long esters to build up to an acceptable level for an effect to be seen.

sust for example has the following....
30mg prop
60mg phenylprop
60mg isocaproate
100mg decanoate

The first two, prop/phenyl. prop will raise your test levels in about a day. The other two wonlt even kick in for at least 2-3 weeks. Therefor, you would NEED to shoot the sust ED to maintain a steady, raised level of test.

Esters only effect the release of the drug. They have nothing to do with potency. Perhaps you should research esters to better understand them, because clearly you do not.

EOD would do, but you're right. The esters in this cycle overlap in some cases while others fall way short. I think the original should be nix'd, and start the thing from scratch.

1buffsob

[Outlaw**]

400 has prop in it also.

[RA]

Just wanted to add, I wouldnt do that cycle. If your mind is made up, why ask?

[Outlaw**]

just wanted to see what people thought.

[pumpd4lif]

really 2 pages of this mess,come on guys if he doesnt get it now he never will
and u can take that poor cycle in 1 worse way or another and yea u will yeild gaines maybe good 1,s but THE CHANCES OF SIDES WILL INCREASE! @#$%#$%#$%

[ODC0717]

I never said esters have to do with the potency. If you read what i said you'd see that Im talkin about the release of it to keep your test levels up.

okay i got you. so you shoot sust one day and the prop/PP get in and out in we'll say 5 days for argument sake. Then what? The isocap, or decan just magically kick in? At what strength, their full strength? Are you counting on the 'release' effect of each ester to help maintian heightened levels while not shooting sust?
Here's what I don't get...sust and T400 both have prop or PP. With sust the next ester to be released is isocap, but immediatley. It takes at least 2-3 weeks before anything other then the prop/PP esters from the sust kick in. In order to keep hormone levels stable you'd have to be shooting the sust ED/EOD until the other esters took effect, and even then you'd still be better served with an ED protocol BECAUSE OF the prop/PP esters. Just because your long ester kicked in, dosen't mean the short esters won't have an effect on your blood levels if your not adhereing to a valid injection protocol. Do you get what I mean.

In reference to T400, yes it has prop, but only 25mg/ml. Did you get that? 25 mg/ml. I think this product is USELESS. And this is from personal experience. Why, as a manufacturer would you put only 25mg of prop per ml, and have two other long ester test that won't take effect for another 4-6 weeks?
that's setting you up for some side effects unless you know what you're doing.

[ODC0717]

1st cycle 10 weeks test e 500mgs wk
2nd cycle 600mgs cyp and 300 mgs deca wk 10 weeks

This is how you'd kinda write out a cycle. It lists dose and duration.

Anyway, I don't see that you used this method in your previous cycles. Why are you going to fix it if it isin't broke. Your stats speak for themself if they are correct. If it ain't broke, then don't fix it. Trying to re-invent the wheel usually ends up being more complicated then one would think....

[RA]

just wanted to see what people thought.

and a couple pages of people hacking on it doesnt change your mind?

[ODC0717]

and a couple pages of people hacking on it doesnt change your mind?

[ODC0717]

Tren acc attaches itself to all these and brings it all together.

Hey outlaw
still waiting for you to validate this bull shit still....

[Outlaw**]

Just tellin you what a doctor told me.

[SMAN12b]

Just tellin you what a doctor told me.

What kind of doctor was it? Was it an Endo? If you are so satisfied with the doctor's opinion, then why bother to get our opinions??

[Outlaw**]

everyone needs to chill out and get some pussy. Bunch of wannabe pansies.

[Outlaw**]

SMAN12B been here since april and already has 2196 posts. Get a ****in life and some pussy, fairy.

[HORSE~]

SMAN12B been here since april and already has 2196 posts. Get a ****in life and some pussy, fairy.

Bro saying shit like that's gona get your ass banned!!

[SMAN12b]

SMAN12B been here since april and already has 2196 posts. Get a ****in life and some pussy, fairy.

you came here asking for opinions, dont' get smartassed with us just cause you didn't get the opinions that agreed with yours.....



Sorry you are jealous about my post count.....at least I am contributing to this board instead of starting crap like you ........ Now 2197 !!!

[1buffsob]

SMAN's new to the board, but that has nothing to do with how much shit that guy knows. He's a true asset, so watch your mouth.

This thread is getting out of hand.

1buffsob

[Outlaw**]

yeah hes a true ass-et...pfff

[SMAN12b]

SMAN's new to the board, but that has nothing to do with how much shit that guy knows. He's a true asset, so watch your mouth.

This thread is getting out of hand.

1buffsob

Thanks bro, but lets not sweat this little boy and play into his game. We dont' need to justify anything to him.

[SMAN12b]

yeah hes a true ass-et...pfff

WOW...didi you think of that one yourself little boy or did you go ask your mommie to help you with that snappy come back........

[Outlaw**]

Thanks bro, but lets not sweat this little boy and play into his game. We dont' need to justify anything to him.

Whatever fag....so suck some more D i c k, maybe then youll get a true source, suckup

[1buffsob]

I suggest anyone with dignity refrain from posting in this thread any longer. Let it die.

1buffsob

[*Narkissos*]

SMAN12B been here since april and already has 2196 posts. Get a ****in life and some pussy, fairy.

c'mon... you're an adult.. act like one.

Bro saying shit like that's gona get your ass banned!!

Not just him alone either.

To the original poster:

You're telling guys 'do your research' when it is clear you didn't. (non-endocrinologist 'hearsay' doesn't count)

Conversely it is clear that most of the guys that replied (judging from the lack of validating info) have no idea why your cycle 'makes no sense'.

This thread was poorly handled by all sides... ('cept maybe by Marcus)

I'll have a go at it.

Nark

[*Narkissos*]

1-10 sust 250
1-10 T-400 blend
1-10 Tren 100 ac
1-10 EQ 100
11-15 T-300 125 prop/125 cyp
11-15 T-enath 250

PCT- Arimidex, proviron, hcg, clomid.

First off... noting your points about 'keeping blood levels stable'.. as previously mentioned that is simply determined by your shooting schedule.

If you chose to utilise esters for this i would utilise the prop; phenylprop; and maybe Enanthate esters.

Preferably the prop and phenylprop esters... and a 3 shots weekly shooting protocol at minimum.. or EOD.

What you suggest with the use of prop + enan + cyp will fall rather short.

The active life of enan and cyp are almost identical (15-16 days)... the active life of prop is 2-3 days.

obviously there will be a big gap between peaks... So your proposed outline won't serve the purpose you desire: consistent hormone levels.. unless you were shooting regularly.

And this enforces the point the guys were trying to make... The point: that your injection protocol influences your goal of maintaining stable hormone levels.

You haven't noted dosages either.. You can't get advise on a cycle without dosages.

You note that you 'need to change compounds at the 10-week point' because 'your body starts to get accustomed to the compounds'... right?

I'm not going to debate that with you.. just point out that you haven't 'changed' anything.

Test is test is test.

My advice?

Either run prop tru-out ED... or run a long ester tru-out EOD (to maintain stable blood levels)...

Run the EQ tru-out (i.e. for 15 weeks). Most guys (especially one whose opinion i trust) note that EQ gets more effective during the latter part of the cycle... He proposes that there's a slow cumulative effect with this compound. As a drug-tested athlete...I haven't yet run it so i can't advise from a personal standpoint.

Tren... weeks 1-10 like you proposed... but note: Tren has an ED or EOD dosing protocol.. You want to maintain stable blood levels so this must be observed..

Now, as for adding a compound at the end... i'd opt for a dht-derivative.

You already have test + a test-derivative (EQ) + a 19-nor derivative... so i'd add dht to the end.. instead of more test.

Now noting that your first two cycles were reasonably dosed (tho you did not say how much you gained on 'em)... i still don't think you need to go crazy on the dosage for this one.

Nark

[*Narkissos*]

1st cycle 10 weeks test e 500mgs wk
2nd cycle 600mgs cyp and 300 mgs deca wk 10 weeks

Ok.. first cycle: 500 mg total count (actually less active hormone.. given ester weight)

Second cycle: 900 mg esterified compounds (same as above)

3rd cycle... i'd really suggest keeping it under 1500 mg total count per week.

Weeks 1-15: Test-E/cyp: 600 mg Ewk
Weeks 1-15: EQ: 400 mg Ewk
Weeks 1-10: Tren-A 50 mg ED (350 mg Ewk)
Weeks 11-15: Masteron 50 mg ED (350 mg Ewk)

This average's just under 1500 mg of gear weekly cept for a 1-2 week overlap near the 3rd quartile of the cycle.

PCT as per user's choice.

PCT- Arimidex, proviron, hcg, clomid.

Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

Weeks 1-15: Test-E/cyp: 600 mg Ewk
Weeks 1-15: EQ: 400 mg Ewk
Weeks 1-10: Tren-A 50 mg ED (350 mg Ewk)
Weeks 11-15: Masteron 50 mg ED (350 mg Ewk)

Now... This is my opinion.

Feel free to re-open the discussion.

Narkissos

[Outlaw**]

Thanks for the thought you put into this nark.

The T-400 has
cyp-125
enath-125
isopropionate-100
phenylpropionate-50

I understand that it takes 4 weeks for the enath and cyp to kick . Tren acetate 100mgs wk for 10 weeks cool or should i add tren enath 150mgs wk with that. Also EQ at 200mgs wk is that enough for 10 weeks. Im thinkin of stopping my cycle at 10 weeks.

[Outlaw**]

sorry, you posted that other stuff while i was writing.

[*Narkissos*]

Thanks for the thought you put into this nark.

The T-400 has
cyp-125
enath-125
isopropionate-100
phenylpropionate-50

I understand that it takes 4 weeks for the enath and cyp to kick . Tren acetate 100mgs wk for 10 weeks cool or should i add tren enath 150mgs wk with that. Also EQ at 200mgs wk is that enough for 10 weeks. Im thinkin of stopping my cycle at 10 weeks.

I'd run the t-400 tru-out.

IT packs a lot of active hormone per ml.. so there's the potential for pain with the mix.

I'd run this EOD if i chose to run it...

It take just over 2 weeks for the test/cyp to 'kick in'.. not 4..

Anyway.. in regard to my outline.. you get what i'm saying?

Nark

[Outlaw**]

I'd run the t-400 tru-out.

IT packs a lot of active hormone per ml.. so there's the potential for pain with the mix.

I'd run this EOD if i chose to run it...

It take just over 2 weeks for the test/cyp to 'kick in'.. not 4..

Anyway.. in regard to my outline.. you get what i'm saying?

Nark

Thx....Ill try that.