Deca/enan/dbol/var/nolva/adex input needed.

[guest589745]

Ok, whats everyone think of this cycle for lean mass:


1-12 Test-E 750mg a week
1-10 Deca 450mg a week
1-4 DBol at 40mg a day
5-12 Anavar at 30mg a day-potent var
1-14 Nolvadex at 10-20mg a day
1-17 Arimidex .50 ED or .75mg EOD
15-17 Nolvadex 20mg ED
15-17 Clomid taper protocol

[Kale]

Great cycle, but I would up the dose on the Var to 80mg ED abd run the var right up to the start of PCT

[Tren Bull]

Ok, whats everyone think of this cycle for lean mass:


1-12 Test-E 750mg a week
1-10 Deca 450mg a week
1-4 DBol at 40mg a day
5-12 Anavar at 30mg a day-potent var
1-14 Nolvadex at 10-20mg a day
1-17 Arimidex .50 ED or .75mg EOD
15-17 Nolvadex 20mg ED
15-17 Clomid taper protocol

absolutely beautiful man, cept id up the anavar. and also, ive heard that nolva will lower the levels of arimidex in your blood, so it would probably be a good idea to take the nolva after you're done with the arimidex

[guest589745]

Thanks you two so far........

[guest589745]

Couldnt I increase the adex by.25 or so to compensate?

[guest589745]

The var is supposed to be much more potent than others. The person said it has dropped them to their knees due to ab cramps brought on by a 60mg ed dosage.

[Merc..]

No it will not compensate with a higher dose of adex..

This only applies to 3rd generation AI's, Letro, Arimidex and L-Dex.

Interactions of antioestrogens and aromatase inhibitors.

Schmid P, Possinger K

Department of Oncology and Hematology, Charite Campus Mitte, Humboldt University Berlin, Germany.

Aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens have shown substantial activity in primary and advanced breast cancer. Since they exhibit different modes of action, attempts have been made to combine them or to use them sequentially in order to potentially increase their efficacy. In preclinical studies, combined, sequential or alternating treatments with aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens have failed to provide higher antitumoural activity. There are relevant pharmacokinetic interactions resulting in decreased plasma concentrations of third generation aromatase inhibitors when combined with tamoxifen. Several randomised clinical trials comparing single agent and combined treatment with tamoxifen and aminoglutethimide failed to show any benefit for the combination. Early results of the adjuvant ATAC trial indicate that single agent anastrozole is superior to tamoxifen or the combination of both. Several trials are ongoing which might help to further define the role of sequential or combined treatment with aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens. However, to date, looking at the current evidence, combined treatment with aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens does not appear to provide additional benefit compared to single agent treatment.

Keep in mind this is not set in stone as there are a few studies on pubmed that say it does not effect adex...

[guest589745]

I agree with running var up to pct beggining.

[guest589745]

interesting mercedd. I have read similar things as well.

[monstermasss]

hey bro i would personally drop the dbol and go w/ 100mg test prop for 6 wks and still stick the test e, and also 10 wks is short for good deca results in my opinion and would go w/ durabolin its a fast acting deca and 10 wks would be awesome!!! try it youll love it bro and our guy carries it!!

[Kale]

The var is supposed to be much more potent than others. The person said it has dropped them to their knees due to ab cramps brought on by a 60mg ed dosage.

I have always done 80mg for as long as 10 weeks and I have never had ab cramps.

[guest589745]

I have always done 80mg for as long as 10 weeks and I have never had ab cramps.

like I said though, apprently their var is a higher dosed concentration. I thought the same thing myself until talking to them. And I beleive them, why would they try to convince me to get LESS var from them?

Kale! Damn, I knew I left someone out of that thread that got deleted. Youre a big help around here.

[guest589745]

hey bro i would personally drop the dbol and go w/ 100mg test prop for 6 wks and still stick the test e, and also 10 wks is short for good deca results in my opinion and would go w/ durabolin its a fast acting deca and 10 wks would be awesome!!! try it youll love it bro and our guy carries it!!

I was thinking about goin with prop too but, I dont feel like I will be able to do the ed/eod shots unfortunately. Might talk to them about the durobalin. Thanks man.

[Testostack]

I have always done 80mg for as long as 10 weeks and I have never had ab cramps.

what about tbol?

[Tren Bull]

what about tbol?

i love turinibol. im on it right now

[Kale]

what about tbol?

Cant comment on that, I have never used it

[Liftnainez]

Yea for Lean mass you could use t-bol... great compound with amazing pumps and good strength/sizr gains.. ulitimately it comes down to diet really, but dbol CAN be used.. also about adex and nolva I have recenlty read a few studies showing how they negate eachother in some way.. also for pct you can incorporate some proviron.. Other than that the cycle looks very good.. good luck bro

[guest589745]

Gonna be about 5 months but, I like to plan ahead I guess.

thanks.

[Testostack]

i love turinibol. im on it right now

how long did ittake to kick in?

[Swifto]

No it will not compensate with a higher dose of adex..

This only applies to 3rd generation AI's, Letro, Arimidex and L-Dex.

Interactions of antioestrogens and aromatase inhibitors.

Schmid P, Possinger K

Department of Oncology and Hematology, Charite Campus Mitte, Humboldt University Berlin, Germany.

Aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens have shown substantial activity in primary and advanced breast cancer. Since they exhibit different modes of action, attempts have been made to combine them or to use them sequentially in order to potentially increase their efficacy. In preclinical studies, combined, sequential or alternating treatments with aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens have failed to provide higher antitumoural activity. There are relevant pharmacokinetic interactions resulting in decreased plasma concentrations of third generation aromatase inhibitors when combined with tamoxifen. Several randomised clinical trials comparing single agent and combined treatment with tamoxifen and aminoglutethimide failed to show any benefit for the combination. Early results of the adjuvant ATAC trial indicate that single agent anastrozole is superior to tamoxifen or the combination of both. Several trials are ongoing which might help to further define the role of sequential or combined treatment with aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens. However, to date, looking at the current evidence, combined treatment with aromatase inhibitors and antioestrogens does not appear to provide additional benefit compared to single agent treatment.

Keep in mind this is not set in stone as there are a few studies on pubmed that say it does not effect adex...

Yes it will. Read this thread I started months ago:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ighlight=nolva

Just run more Arimidex/L-Dex to combat the problem IMO.

[Swifto]

Ok, whats everyone think of this cycle for lean mass:


1-12 Test-E 750mg a week
1-10 Deca 450mg a week
1-4 DBol at 40mg a day
5-12 Anavar at 30mg a day-potent var
1-14 Nolvadex at 10-20mg a day
1-17 Arimidex .50 ED or .75mg EOD
15-17 Nolvadex 20mg ED
15-17 Clomid taper protocol

Few questions...

Why's the Deca dropped 2 weeks before the Test Enan, not 1 week?

Dont see any need for both an Arimidex/Nolva whilst "on". Unless your very prone to estrogen related sides?

Run Var to PCT starts.

HCG whilst "on" as your using a 19-Nor and using androgens for 17 weeks?

This PCT protocol waorked will in the past?

Getting regular bloodwork done as your running orals for nealry 17 weeks in total? At least needs to be dont 1/2 through the cycle IMO.

[Testostack]

Few questions...

Why's the Deca dropped 2 weeks before the Test Enan, not 1 week?

Dont see any need for both an Arimidex/Nolva whilst "on". Unless your very prone to estrogen related sides?

Run Var to PCT starts.

HCG whilst "on" as your using a 19-Nor and using androgens for 17 weeks?

This PCT protocol waorked will in the past?

Getting regular bloodwork done as your running orals for nealry 17 weeks in total? At least needs to be dont 1/2 through the cycle IMO.

I second that too.....

[guest589745]

Thanks swifto.

[Testostack]

Good luck bro.......keep us posted!

[guest589745]

Like I said, gonna be a while but, I'll keep posted as much as possible.

[bobio_69]

i just did that same cycle, test500 deca 400 dbool 30 mg ed for 4 weeks.... gained 25....but at one point was at 28... your gonna love it bro!

[Tren Bull]

Couldnt I increase the adex by.25 or so to compensate?

i suppose so, but imo it would be best to only run arimidex or nolva, not both at the same time

[guest589745]

yea I learned that recently

[Tren Bull]

how long did ittake to kick in?

its hard to say, cause im also on alot of dbol and winni, but i felt strength gains a few days after i started.

[Tren Bull]

yea I learned that recently

have you decided to run tbol or dbol?

[guest589745]

Dbol, never even considered Tbol really. Lemme go check it out though.........hold up................

[guest589745]

Nah, sounds just like a weaker Dbol. Safer maybe but, I dont think Im gonna go with it, especially due to the price difference.

[guest589745]

The var is killin my wallet anyway.

[Smak]

Great cycle, but I would up the dose on the Var to 80mg ED abd run the var right up to the start of PCT

Not necessarily.

I'm running 40mg of var ed by itself and seeing good results.

I don't think you need to run var so high to see nice results.

Try it at 40mg first and run it higher if your not happy IMO.

I wouldn't run it any less than 40mg however.

[LmbrJak]

Have you considered aromasin? No conflict with nolva and lowers estrogen by 85%.

[Tren Bull]

Nah, sounds just like a weaker Dbol. Safer maybe but, I dont think Im gonna go with it, especially due to the price difference.

yea, tbol is really expensive. i heard it yields more solid and keepable gains though.

[guest589745]

Not necessarily.

I'm running 40mg of var ed by itself and seeing good results.

I don't think you need to run var so high to see nice results.

Try it at 40mg first and run it higher if your not happy IMO.

I wouldn't run it any less than 40mg however.

Smak, post some recent pics damnit! Lookin huge man.

[guest589745]

yea, tbol is really expensive. i heard it yields more solid and keepable gains though.

From what I read it takes longer and isnt as powerful as Dbol basically.

[Tren Bull]

From what I read it takes longer and isnt as powerful as Dbol basically.

ive heard that too. its all good to me though, cause im using it to solidify my dbol gains. i got winni helping with that too

[Tren Bull]

theres a thread in this forum where a guy used tbol only. he got noticably bigger and defined by week four.