Ok guys, now it's too much. Sluggish as hell. Need to do something about it.

[guest589745]

Im in week 7 of 750mg Cyp 10mg nolva ed. I was thinking I was overtraining so I changed my routine and took a week off. Now 1 week later, I am feelin it even more. My diet has been really good. Not doin any cardio for the last 4 weeks. BP doesnt seem to be high though I havent actually had it taken. I can usually tell though.

I can fall asleep at almost any time of the day even though Im getin 7-9 hrs sleep a night. I squated yesterday and my legs just feel like they have the least energy right now. If I didnt have a job and responsabilities I culd just lay here all day.

Blagh.

Should I get blood drawn or take some kind of supp? I dont wanna give to much of my preciosu precious blood away lol. How will this effect the test levels in me? Maybe lower the dose?


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****Update 12/18/06****
I can feel it comin back .............

[Merc..]

From what I have been studying . It can be estrogen is to high or two low... I had asked this question before and I think it was Big K that said estrogen levels can cause tiredness ( not for sure it was Klg). Are you bloated and how is your sex drive??? Bump for more reponses.....

[guest589745]

Sex drive is not increased and no bloat at all. Never have had bloat though.

[Bigmax]

have you checked your blood pressure????

[Bigmax]

I saw where you said you may be able to tell but....sometimes you really cant.

[guest589745]

I will check it but before, I really do think I could tell when it got high.

[guest589745]

I think Im gonna make a doc appt as well.......

[Bigmax]

Yeah sometimes you can...i thought I did too....but about a year ago...i was feeling the way you did tired all the damn time.....would have just enough energy to get my workout in...finally my girl convinced me to get checked out...and my BP was 160 over 110....

[guest589745]

Damn, I hope mine is ok........

[guest589745]

I know I should know why this is happening and what to do but damn...........Bump?

[Bigmax]

Guy dont stress...that will make things worse!!!!..try to relax and get to the doc and he'll let you know whats up.

[Bigmax]

You know what???...your red blood count may be up also...that will thicken your blood and make you tired.....up your fluids and are you takng any aspirin???

[guest589745]

I take no pain meds whatsoever. Drinkin lotsa water of course. I think its either my RBC but you siad estrogen...I wish I knew more about that. How exactly would low estrogen levels have this effect on me. Im not even taking that much Ldex .25-.5 mg

[guest589745]

It's even worse now that Im at work, I have a headache too.

Just made a doc appointment but is it OK to tell them what Im on?

[guest589745]

^^^^^^^^

[spywizard]

It's even worse now that Im at work, I have a headache too.

Just made a doc appointment but is it OK to tell them what Im on?

this is debated alot..... i stand with.. no you can't tell him.. there is no doc patient confidentiality..

example.. if you told your doc you were taking Heroin he would get you the help you needed.. even if that meant he had you committed.. or called the cops to get the same thing done..

others say.. it's safe..

[BajanBastard]

RBC count and water retention could be the cause but you said you're not holding water so i guess its RBC.

[guest589745]

Hmmm, alright, I didnt think it was safe really.

So again, would drawing blood be a good idea?

[BajanBastard]

Yeah man of course, go donate some blood. I plan to donate blood every 5 weeks or so on cycle to be safe. Only thing is the tren in my blood will go to some loser who isn't worthy

[guest589745]

Lol, yea I was wondering exactly how much test I will lose....probly trivial.

[stuball]

this is debated alot..... i stand with.. no you can't tell him.. there is no doc patient confidentiality..

example.. if you told your doc you were taking Heroin he would get you the help you needed.. even if that meant he had you committed.. or called the cops to get the same thing done..

others say.. it's safe..

What Country you from, no doctor has the right or authority to have you commited, or arrested, ( unless your suicidial ) for taking steroids or herion, first of all, you would be a pretty rich guy, and that doctor would have no busness left, DOCTOR- PATIENT, CONFIDENTIALITY !!!!! Why would a doctor loss his buisness, cause one of his patients is doing steriods..

[guest589745]

Im in the US, interesting point. Damnit I dunno if I should tell em or not.

[guest589745]

Another thing, it feels like i have a lot of pressure in the top of my head to the back.

[stuball]

Im in the US, interesting point. Damnit I dunno if I should tell em or not.

So am i, go into any lawyers office and grab a busniss card, if he says anything to you hand him the card and say, my attorney will be in touch with you...

[MorganKane]

If you use your insurance when you go to the doc they (they insurance) company might find out. It migh come back and bite you in the ass later.

A friend of mine is an insurance agent and I talked to him about getting insurance (self employed) gave him all my personal info. He came back and told me all kinds of stuff about my previous medical history that he had access too. I was shocked and pissed but its a part of the agrement you have with your insurance company that they get all the medical info for what they pay for.

The doc will not tell the cops or anyone else for that matter. HIPA got some real strict rules to prevent that.

[THINKBIG]

When i'm taking Nolva on PCT thats how I feel.

[humungus88]

Most doctors are not stupid. Depending how jacked you look, they can usually tell if your on aas. Some of them are cool about it. A friend of mine went to the doctor about a bad knee. The doctor could tell by looking at him he was on gear. He asked my friend what he was taking, and my friend replied, "anadrol, eq, test." The doctor replied,"well if your going to use that stuff you should switch to deca, it'll probably help your knee feel better."

[stuball]

Another thing, it feels like i have a lot of pressure in the top of my head to the back.

Another thing, this might sound real stupid, but i recall reading a post a while back and someone had the same problem, when someone else replyed with the same problem, he told him that the doctor had to take extra blood, because there was to much in his body, and that was making him tired and sluggish, it might sound insane but thats what i recall....

[guest589745]

I am def gonna get my blood drawn. Like a few gallons.

[one8nine]

my doctor knows i use and he is like its unhealthy but im sure you know that everyone does and i was like i knwo the risks and hes like okay if youre going to do it ill help you right and wrote me up for blood tests and i have an endocrinologist apt in october for a check up and he said he may even prescribbe HCG for when im on maybe not though

[guest589745]

****, I can feel it coming back...........damnit........................

I realy need to find a doc that will do complete bloodwork for me.

[guest589745]

I am gonna drink some coffee but I really want to avoid any other potentially harmful substances while on a cycle.

Any input ?

[notorious_mem]

did you not go to the doctor in july?

[guest589745]

did you not go to the doctor in july?

Yup, had blood drawn and helped a little. Can't do it again though til another blood drive comes to my town, I dont know any other way right now.

[Bojangles69]

I'm not sure if theres a difference in laws between a medical doc and a psychologist but I know only way they can breech confidentiality is BEFORE you pose a threat to yourself or somebody elses well-being.
For instance, you could tell your shrink you just murdered your wife and shes in the trunk of your car and HE CANT SAY A WORD about it.
It is after the instance has occured, that is how the laws are written.
But if you tell your doc you have hiv and are about to have unprotected sex with an nonaffected person even if you both love each other, he can have you involuntarily confined for it with no threat to his license what so ever.
Im not sure if the laws differentiate between medical docs and psych docs though.
But Id def be leaning towards the fact that docs prob deal with this more than you think and most docs would rather have patients trusting them and not afraid to return in the future if they're in a simlilar situation.

[guest589745]

But Id def be leaning towards the fact that docs prob deal with this more than you think and most docs would rather have patients trusting them and not afraid to return in the future if they're in a simlilar situation.

Thanks, and let's hope. I am trying to find another doctor who is sports related that may have a higher probabilty of dealing with patients who are on steroids or will at least keep his mouth shut lol.

[Bojangles69]

I am gonna drink some coffee but I really want to avoid any other potentially harmful substances while on a cycle.

Any input ?

If your experiencing any symptoms of high bp Id def stay away from it.
An hour after your drink the coffee and your blood begins to rethicken you'll be sorry you drank it.
Theres certain exotic teas Id recommend that would help immensely but you wouldnt be able to get your hands on them quick enough.

[notorious_mem]

hows your blood pressure been the last couple months?how bout excessive hours or increased stress at work.anything that was going on back in june happening now?

[frank12391]

Skull, are you taking l/dex and Nova on your cycle?, if so try droping the Nolva, save it for P.C.T and up the L/dex a little and see how you feel after a week.

[Bojangles69]

Thanks, and let's hope. I am trying to find another doctor who is sports related that may have a higher probabilty of dealing with patients who are on steroids or will at least keep his mouth shut lol.

Yeh all I know is we discussed this in pretty good detail for the last 2 weeks, and it was a class of all pre-grad psychologists. BUt the overwhelming attitude was you cant say a word about your patients business unless under extreme specific circumstances. He made it known that this fact would be pounded into our heads repeatedly throughout the course of gradschool. Even mentioned saying that police cant make you talk, that they would need to have the superior courts mandate you. imo most docs prob have a minor phobia about discussing a patients business.