Agreed...it comes down to trial and error. As someone who has put on 70lbs bulking in 3 years....then fluctuated between a 30-40lb window up and down about 5 times in 4 years....you can understand my frustration with being muscular AND lean. Leaning out and eating like this is a desperate attempt to achieve what 7 years of training/dieting have not done. Essentially, the goal at this point in time (as no other option was seen as realistically effective), is to strip away all bodyfat before attempting to gain muscle again. If some is gained while dieting...fine...if it is maintained...good. "Eat more" is not good advice. Although all advice is subject to the opinions and experience of those offering it, I see criticism being posted yet with a lack of constructional information applicable to my goals and the question(s) being asked. It will be interesting to see who becomes defensive or who understands that I ask these questions because I seek information from those who may have more experience than I do.Originally Posted by 1buffsob