pro and tbol ??? thoughts???

[mcgas7]

Weeks 1-8 Prop@ 100mg/ed
Weeks 1-6 Turinabol @ 50mg/ed
Weeks 1-13 Nolv @10mg/ed
PCT clomid and nolv

wats your thoughs on this cycle?

2nd cycle looking to gain lean mass without so much water weight..

previous cycle
dbol 40mg ed
500mg test ew..

weight at the mom.. 224

cheers

[Hellmaskbanned]

Weeks 1-8 Prop@ 100mg/ed
Weeks 1-6 Turinabol @ 50mg/ed
Weeks 1-13 Nolv @10mg/ed
PCT clomid and nolv

wats your thoughs on this cycle?

2nd cycle looking to gain lean mass without so much water weight..

previous cycle
dbol 40mg ed
500mg test ew..

weight at the mom.. 224

cheers

Run tbol to PCT. < thats what I would do....

[mcgas7]

i have been told u loose tbols gains after 6 weeks on..?? any thoughts on this anyone??

[RobbieG]

i have been told u loose tbols gains after 6 weeks on..?? any thoughts on this anyone??

Just go pct and you´ll keep most of gains..


I did 40 mg's a day for 8 weeks.. did loose about ~ 4 lbs within the 4 weeks I did PCT .. mostly water as nolva was my pct..

[mcgas7]

i wasnt really looking forward to injecting everyday..

any thoughts and help on the cycle from any guys???

[Hellmaskbanned]

If you don't like injecting Eod then exchange prop for Test E or C.

[mcgas7]

would be happier at every other day rather than everyday??

any thoughts.. hows the dosage looking??

[mcgas7]

want to hit the prop as only wanna do a 8 weeker

[mcgas7]

any one??

[mcgas7]

come on guys..someone must have done prop tbol before???????

[shortie]

Yes you can shoot prop EOD, not optimal but it will work well, as for the doses I would run the prop 150mg EOD, remember due to ester weight 700mg of prop is like 825 of E or C. And with only one cycle under your belt I see no reason to go that high yet. Tbol is good, I love it, you may want more than 50 mg ed, but you'll just have to see how it works for you. Nolva/Clomid PCT is old hat IMO, but for a short cycle with short ester gear it should work for ya~

[one8nine]

[QUOTE=shortie]Yes you can shoot prop EOD, not optimal but it will work well, as for the doses I would run the prop 150mg EOD, remember due to ester weight 700mg of prop is like 825 of E or C. And with only one cycle under your belt I see no reason to go that high yet. Tbol is good, I love it, you may want more than 50 mg ed, but you'll just have to see how it works for you. Nolva/Clomid PCT is old hat IMO, but for a short cycle with short ester gear it should work for ya~[/QUOTE]
what do you recomend for a normal pct?

[shortie]

what do you recomend for a normal pct?

Well, I am a big fan of Anthony Robvert's protocol laid out in the PCT forum. I have done several different PCT's over the years and without a doubt his is the most effective approach yet. Having said that I strongly believe that the one of the biggest factors in recovery time is how long you cycle, so an 8 week cycle may not need the PCT protocol that a 20 weeker requires, that's why I think he will prolly get by with the conventional clomid/nolva.

Here's his layout for you-
Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

[mcgas7]

wat would u recommend my dose be with prop eod?
and wat dose would u bump the tbol to?

[shortie]

wat would u recommend my dose be with prop eod?
and wat dose would u bump the tbol to?

150 EOD will wind up hitting you 525/wk, this will be roughly the same as 600/wk of E or Cyp when ester weight is calculated in. As for the Tbol, run it at 50 and see, if you are tolerating sides well and seeing gains leave it, if you are not gaining and have no sides then bump it to 60-repeat.

[mcgas7]

wat about tbol 1-8 weeks?? or best sticking to 6??

[shortie]

Nah, 6 should be good. I don't worry about hepatotoxicity as much as some, but I see a point of diminishing returns, and in my experience most orals seem to drop off in effectiveness after 5-6 weeks.

[mcgas7]

ok cheers for your help shortie

so cycle will look..

weeks 1-8 = test prop @ 150mg eod
weeks 1-6 = tbol @ 50mg ed
weeks 1-13 Nolv @10mg/ed