New Steroid Effectiveness Chart?

[*Alex*]

i think it would be good to categorise sides for a clearer picture, as some people dont mind some sides / hate others...... a general ''side effects' description is way to vague for my liking - I think sides are a major deciding factor for alot of people when it comes to steroid choice

hairloss
lipid profile
bloat / gyno
liver
libido
blood pressure
kidneys
acne
digestive

nice, like to see sides of each item.

[Liftnainez]

Why not? Yea, its not a PRIORITY maybe but could be useful.

I guess it could be.. at least I wouldnt be so interested..I guess the whole chart thing isnt really my thing to begin with.. it gives an overall expectation- nothing concrete.. i believe in trying things bc giving out opinions and expectations.. but i guess it will help some..

[Liftnainez]

I just feel like the charts are always so broad.. the topic of sides just came up.. some ppl get sides on eq and not on test.. its all up to the individual..

[guest589745]

true, good point, gives an expectation thta may or may not be met for some.

[TestSubject123]

test e

[C_Bino]

In reality each person will react diff to each compound.. so I guess numbers will be off to some ppl..

This is one reason I DO NOT think that sides should be ranked...especially acne or whatever. Totally different for everyone. Like me I get acne from deca but not from tren.

I think the lists people have made are good though.

[Liftnainez]

This is one reason I DO NOT think that sides should be ranked...especially acne or whatever. Totally different for everyone. Like me I get acne from deca but not from tren.
I think the lists people have made are good though.

my point exactly bro!

[vestax]

I'd love to see a category on hepatoxicity of orals personally. and maybe some more information on Furazabol

[MAXIMA5]

I would like to see half-life of the different esters and orals, as well as the time it takes to level out (begin working 100%) in the body.

[MAXIMA5]

Yeah, I would like to see minimum effective dosage ranges.
Best injection frequency

I like this idea also. A broad range for the those would be better. For instance, Test Cyp could say Beginner dose 400mg EW. Minimum of Bi-weekly injections

[Property of Steroid.com]

Although there's alot of good ideas going around here....I think that some of them might be a bit advanced for the main page...keep in mind, most people are coming here to the main page (not the forums) looking for mostly beginners info. So they aren't going to know what Hepatoxicity is, or what aromatization is...maybe I'll do another, more advanced chart for the forums, and not the main page? The "effectiveness" chart, I think should focus on rating steroids and their effectiveness in different categories....

Fat loss, Weight gain, etc....

Keep the ideas coming, because now I'm thinking about doing a second chart, for the book and the forums ...an advanced one, more for people who want to know if a steroid can be 5a-reduced and stuff like that.

Also, lets get some ratings going....that's really what I need help on here....I want to know how the members rate different steroids, for different things, on a 1-10 basis.

[MAXIMA5]

Also, lets get some ratings going....that's really what I need help on here....I want to know how the members rate different steroids, for different things, on a 1-10 basis.

Tbol

strength - 4
Lean mass - 6
Fat loss - 2
Pump - 7
Sides - (gastric) 5
Coolness - 9

[BG]

Tren-e

sides-8
strength-7
fat loss-8
muscle building-7 maybe 8


Test-e

sides-5
strength-6
fatloss-1
muscle building-6 maybe 7


Test cyp

sides-4
strength-6
fatloss-1
muscle building-7


Deca

sides-3
strength-8
fatloss-5 maybe 6
muscle building -8


EQ

sides-0
strength-2
fatloss-4
muscle building-3 (being nice too)


Drol

sides-7 maybe 8
strength-9
fatloss-1
muscle building-7 maybe 8 (directly or indirectly related to)


D-bol

sides-6
strength- 7 maybe 8
fatloss-0
muscle building 7 maybe 8 (directly or indirectly related to)

GH- a big fat 10

BG

[BG]

^^^^ for more info.

[guest589745]

test e
strength- 5
fat loss-2
sides-2
gains-4

deca
strength-7
fat loss-2
sides-4
gains-6

dbol
strength-8
fat loss-1 (0)
sides-6
gains-6

var
strength-7
fat loss-3
sides-0
gains-3

Thats my input.

[G-1000]

I think each compound should be rated for experience level. So this way the new guys will not see a reating like tren and try and run it by it's self.

[MAXIMA5]

test e
strength- 5
fat loss-2
sides-2
gains-4


var
strength-7
fat loss-3
sides-0
gains-3

Thats my input.

I would think about changing this. Var is a relatively weak compound.

I would give it a 4 or 5 for strength, a low rating on weight gain, but ahigher rating on quality of gains.

[guest589745]

Wasnt for me. Made me strong as shit but, not quite as much as Dbol did. Not much else.

THe gains I wasnt guaging by the quality but the amount.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Yeah...this should be on a mg/mg comparison. For example, I can't think of anything that produces strength gains like 100mgs of anavar, or weight gains like 100mgs of Dbol.

[one8nine]

sorry if anyone said anyhtign of what iom about to say cause i havent read this thread but

toxicity

ease at making the oral powder into an injectable (example: winny) but i am interested in this process for other orals too :-D

shut down

aromatize

progesterone related

water retention

agression

most common dose, miminum dose and highest effective dose

if its gonna dry out my knees (joints) or help them ( you could go from negative 10 to positive 10 on this one)

also include the androgen to anabolic ratio!


okay now i read the post:
dont leave things out just because they will confuse newbies!! include that anyway when they see words like aromatize they will be like what the hell is that and research it and maybe learn soemthign it can help them and also help us when we see the chart

[MAXIMA5]

Yeah...this should be on a mg/mg comparison. For example, I can't think of anything that produces strength gains like 100mgs of anavar, or weight gains like 100mgs of Dbol.

Good point.

Do you think we'll have an "average dose" category. I also thin k we need to differentiate between weight gain, and quality keepable gains. For example, Dbol's weight gain will be extremely high, but the quality gain rating would be low because it tends to pack on water weight.

Test would have a lower weight gain rating, but a far higher quality/keepable gains rating.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Good point.

Do you think we'll have an "average dose" category. I also thin k we need to differentiate between weight gain, and quality keepable gains. For example, Dbol's weight gain will be extremely high, but the quality gain rating would be low because it tends to pack on water weight.

Test would have a lower weight gain rating, but a far higher quality/keepable gains rating.

I think that each drug should be thought of in a MG/MG basis. So in other words, imagine taking 100mgs of Anadrol per day. If you can't think of any drug that would put weight on you like 100mgs of Anadrol/day, then you would give that a 10. Or for the "Availability" rating, if you've never seen a price list without Anadrol on it, then it would be a 10 for that category as well.

For fat burning, I think Tren would be a 10, and maybe pretty high in the Strength department as well....but night sweats, tren cough, possible impotence, etc...would also give it a pretty high side effects rating as well.

[C_Bino]

Here are a couple of my ratings.

Injectible
TrenStrength:7
Weight:7
Fat loss:9

Deca
Strength: 8
Weight: 8
Fat loss: 3

Test Enth
Strength: 7
Weight: 7
Fat loss: 6

Test Prop
Strength: 7
Weight: 7
Fat loss: 6

EQ
Strength: 5
Weight: 5
Fat loss: 5

Masteron
Strength: 6
Weight: 5
Fat loss: 7

Oral
Winstrol
Strength: 6
Weight: 4
Fat loss: 7

Dianabol
Strength: 9
Weight: 10
Fat loss: 2

Anadrol
Strength: 9
Weight: 10
Fat loss: 2

[one8nine]

okay i hope this makes sense
put if its 17aa, dht, 19-nor.. classifications

[Hellmaskbanned]

Oral toxicity

If not already been covered.

[Merc..]

Here are a couple of my ratings.

Injectible
TrenStrength:7
Weight:7
Fat loss:9

Deca
Strength: 8
Weight: 8
Fat loss: 3

Test Enth
Strength: 7
Weight: 7
Fat loss: 6

Test Prop
Strength: 7
Weight: 7
Fat loss: 6

EQ
Strength: 5
Weight: 5
Fat loss: 5

Masteron
Strength: 6
Weight: 5
Fat loss: 7

Oral
Winstrol
Strength: 6
Weight: 4
Fat loss: 7

Dianabol
Strength: 9
Weight: 10
Fat loss: 2

Anadrol
Strength: 9
Weight: 10
Fat loss: 2

Good post!!!!

[guest589745]

okay i hope this makes sense
put if its 17aa, dht, 19-nor.. classifications

Good idea.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Here are a couple of my ratings.

Injectible
TrenStrength:7
Weight:7
Fat loss:9

So what steroid do you rate as being better than Tren for fat loss? Like what's a 10?

[C_Bino]

So what steroid do you rate as being better than Tren for fat loss? Like what's a 10?

Good point...But I dont have a 10. I see what you mean for sure, just personally I never really saw the great fat loss results most people boast about. And I havent tried every AAS out there so I just gave it a 9. Nothin I would put higher that I have tried yet though.

[Merc..]

Good point...But I dont have a 10. I see what you mean for sure, just personally I never really saw the great fat loss results most people boast about. And I havent tried every AAS out there so I just gave it a 9. Nothin I would put higher that I have tried yet though.

I agree Bino ( about personal fatloss results with tren as great as people say.. I did have fatloss with it I just expected more due to everyones feedback)!!! But yea Hooker I would say tren is the best for fatloss so it should be a 10..

[thegodfather]

If no one has said it yet, I believe a category for the amount of experience that a person should have in their use history before using should be included... Example..

Experience: Testosterone would be 1 whereas Tren would fall under 10...as 10would mean you should have done quite an extensive amount of cycling before using tren..

[C_Bino]

I agree Bino ( about personal fatloss results with tren as great as people say.. I did have fatloss with it I just expected more due to everyones feedback)!!! But yea Hooker I would say tren is the best for fatloss so it should be a 10..

Ya I mean I like tren but I personally expected more from all the talk about it. Fat loss is never a big thing for me when deciding on what to run anyways, and I honestly think I would chose deca as the 19-nor in my cycle most times over tren for strength/size.

But yes I supposed it should be a 10 as I have never experienced anything better than it. It makes sense for it to get a 10.

[Johny-too-small]

Oral Turinabol = 10 Butt Gas

[MAXIMA5]

hehehehehe

"Tittie Master"

[Johnny Test]

I personally agree with Liftnainez

I personally dont think this should be done.. no offense though

And I think that Anthony Roberts is totally correct. Everyones dosages are different. So there experiance is really irrelavent. This chart should be made in a lab. All of which should be comparing what we would call the average dose obviously we couldn't go per mg because a person doesn't normally take 600mg of d-bol.
I think the list posted now is pritty dam accurate. But it would be cool to see
something showing how some items are dependant on others. for ex. Deca and Test. Also if it's a cutting or bulking product.
Or even measure it's longevity?
But really as far as numbers go we really need a lab.

Thats my story and i'm stickin to it. lol

[Property of Steroid.com]

So what I'm basically looking for right now, is for everyone to tell me their perfect 10's. In other words, for fat loss, for strength gains, for weight gain, and for side effects, what would everyone rate as a 10? What's the most effective AAs you have ever used for those purposes?

I'm also going to factor in various steroids Anabolic Ratings to the ratings, and the androgenic ratings into some of the numbers as well, so there is a subjective portion to this (Steroid.com members ratings) as well as an objective portion (scientifically determined anabolic/androgenic ratings).

[twiney]

How can you label tren for fat loss with a score of 10 and then DNP with 10? A newbie would think they both great fat burners of Equal measure,just a thought.For me Strength drol and halo a perfect score.Dan Duchaine number one AAS was Stenbolone which is primo really,ability to keep gains these would get a perfect score.

[MAXIMA5]

Tbol 10 pump and lean

Anavar 10 Strength

The tests are hard to rate a 10 for anything, since they serve multiple purposes well.

[twiney]

Tbol 10 pump and lean

Anavar 10 Strength

The tests are hard to rate a 10 for anything, since they serve multiple purposes well.

if anavar is 10,I guess you have never done halo at high dose

[AleX-69]

Well i really don't know if this thread is going anywhere.. Reason is nobody has done every AAS out there so nobody can compare all AAS..

So for somebody Var rates 10 on strength (maybe because he hasn't tried other AAS) while for some others D-Bol or Halo rank 10. I for myself would skip all those "personal" expierences and go by the profiles and general consensus. This would be a more accurate Effectiveness Chart than some "uncomplete" user expierences mixed together.

AleX