i'm in the process of trying to build mass without the real gear. due to the fact that i have experience with the good shit, getting a satisfactory pump from store bought items is few and far between. I have been taking cee creatine with very promising results. should be rollin on week three here pretty soon. I have been mixing in some different stuff claiming to be prohormone but its really just a bunch of different herbal stuff. i dont wanna mess with any serious pro hormones. so to try and wrap up this post heres what i wanna do: Add NO2 to my cee and then stack in some monohydrate as well. i have a great diet and fitness routine so i think it should be plenty to get me the results im looking for. i just want to know what additions or subtractions everyone would make??????????thanks broswill doubling up on the creatine cause any problems?????