Dbol or Tbol is the question ??

[STEROIDZZ]

Based on the following cycle... and only for a kick start about 4 weeks into the first of the cycle... would you suggest Tbol or Dbol?? main focus is for lean muscle mass


Test Cyp 500mg to 600 ( not sure yet) a wk e3.5 days
Deca Dura 300 to 400 ( not sure yet) a wk e3.5 days

Dbol OR Tbol first 4 wks of cycle


STATS: 5'11... 220lbs.. 14 to 16% bf... 21 yrs old... 2 cycles ( 1 i would only consider a cycle)
5 to 6 yrs of hard training... also getting diet in check
Letro throughout cycle.... Clomid/ Nolva 18days after last test Cyp shot

[JiGGaMaN]

Your stats will matter in order to answer the question effectively.

[STEROIDZZ]

corrected my bad

[SMAN12b]

Well, JMHO, but just from everything I have read in the profiles and from the experience of guys on here, I will be adding Tbol to my next cycle. Here is a snip from its profile that makes it sound very appealing:

Actually, though, this stuff is simply dianabol with a 4-chloro alteration, the same alteration found in Clostebol.

Due to this 4-chloro substitution in the A-Ring of its Steran Nucleus, this drug cannot be aromatized (3). This is, as you know, quite beneficial and is one of the reasons Oral Turinabol has been called a "gentle d-bol.”

you can compare the two profiles in the drug profile forum. But I would go with Tbol

[*Narkissos*]

imo tbol is garbage (waits for Ross to sign up and flame)

I'd go with dbol.. or better yet.. i'd 'kick-start' the cycle with a short-estered version of your main compound

In this case.. i'd go with Test-prop kickstart.

Nark

[STEROIDZZ]

more imputs

[Hellmaskbanned]

imo tbol is garbage (waits for Ross to sign up and flame)

I'd go with dbol.. or better yet.. i'd 'kick-start' the cycle with a short-estered version of your main compound

In this case.. i'd go with Test-prop kickstart.

Nark

What!?

(Instead Hellmask joins to flame!)

Tbol is not garbage. Tbol delivers good strength/muscle gains. It's nothing great, slow gains that only show through hard work/ correct diet. It's not like dbol, you take you blow up. It's slow lean gains with very little sides.

IMO, I think you should go with dbol. Your already doing test/deca so why not blow up more?!

Dbol is alot more anabolic/androgenic than tbol thus produces more gains.

By the way, what was your first cycle like? 2nd cycle and doing 3 heavy compounds?

[STEROIDZZ]

pm me hellmask and we will talk abotu the previous cycles... i want lean gains.. but you still suggest Dbol?? i think the letro will keep me down on water bloat if im correct

[*Narkissos*]

What!?

(Instead Hellmask joins to flame!)

lol...

Tbol is not garbage.

I think it is.

I think it has a 'hype following' like primo does.

I've used tbol @ 100 mg ED... and got nothing to speak of.

Tbol delivers good strength/muscle gains.

Did nothing for me. Neither strength nor muscle.

It's nothing great,

My point exactly.

slow gains that only show through hard work/ correct diet.

Sounds like an Ad for creatine ethyl ester

Honestly.. i would trade the rest of the tbol i have for CEE.. i saw 'more' on CEE than on Tbol... and my training, diet, and work-ethic etc.. are on.. Year Round.

It's not like dbol, you take you blow up. It's slow lean gains with very little sides.

Dbol too has very little sides.. Water retention aside what else is there to fear? Increased Nitrogen retention? Increased glycogen synthesis? What?

Dbol is alot more anabolic/androgenic than tbol thus produces more gains.

Ditto.

Nark

[STEROIDZZ]

Nark ... You alright man?? when I think of you i think of the song " IM BOSSY" ahahhaha....

I NEED MORE Opinions..... come on vetss lol

[Hellmaskbanned]

Your right Tbol does have a "primo like" following LOL!

I saw more gains with Tbol than with VAR.......VAR must be horrible then!

But again I saw more strength gains with Winstrol alone than from both Tbol & VAR.

[STEROIDZZ]

bump

[*Narkissos*]

Nark ... You alright man?? when I think of you i think of the song " IM BOSSY" ahahhaha....

I NEED MORE Opinions..... come on vetss lol

lol.. I'm cool man.. I just like to respond thoroughly so others follow my thought process

Your right Tbol does have a "primo like" following LOL!

Yea.. didn't you know it's the greatest thing since whey protein?

I saw more gains with Tbol than with VAR.......VAR must be horrible then!

What were the doses/durations?

Some Var users say they don't get shit with dosages under 100 mg ED. *shrugs*

I haven't used Var.. so i'd have to digress.

Maybe i'll use it next year.

But again I saw more strength gains with Winstrol alone than from both Tbol & VAR.

Yes.. winstrol is king imo.

Winstrol is my FAVORITE compound.

Strength increases are correlated to dose increases imo... Mg for Mg it kicks the singular asses of both Var and Tbol...

*drools over the thought of his next cycle*

Nark

[C_Bino]

imo tbol is garbage (waits for Ross to sign up and flame)

I'd go with dbol.. or better yet.. i'd 'kick-start' the cycle with a short-estered version of your main compound

In this case.. i'd go with Test-prop kickstart.

Nark

My man! We share the same opinion often and it holds true here. D-bol, whether it bloats you or not does its job and does it well, you will be strong as a mofo, and who cares about some water, watch your sodium, drink a lot of water and take a good AI. Water weight doesnt mean bodyfat, many people forget that.

But yes using prop would be a really good bet. For me it doesnt kick in until week 3...I need two full weeks for it to build, but d-bol is in by week 2.
Up to you...

[STEROIDZZ]

Another vote for dbol.... its all good Nark... if you know what ur talking about rock it haahah...

[HORSE~]

I would use Dbol but thats me I love Dbol.......

I expirence very little sides from Dbol I have great strength gains and love the feeling of wellbeing while on it.....I fell like I iam the sexiest MOFO around when on it......But then again I might be...

As you see you will get mixed reveiw's in this thread thats because different aas have different effects on different people.....

Try them both one in this cycle and the other in the next and make up your own mind as to wich one you like the best........

[Tren Bull]

I'd go with dbol.. or better yet.. i'd 'kick-start' the cycle with a short-estered version of your main compound

In this case.. i'd go with Test-prop kickstart.

Nark

yea, dbol is definately a better choice for a kickstart. why dont you like tbol though? did your body not respond well to it?

[Tren Bull]

I would use Dbol but thats me I love Dbol.......

me too man. if dbol was a woman, id marry it

[G-1000]

This first thing i have found is. There is no such thing as lean mass. Lean mass mean that your not going to get the most out of your cycle due to your diet. You will not have enough cal to grow to your max patencal.

Now that you ate left with just bulking. I would have to go with d-bol. You are looking for max size and weight. The d-bol will blow you up and give good size quick and up your strength.

T-BOL would be better at the end of the cycle.It will help you harden the gains. So then when you start to drop water weight and fat you will saver more muscle.

[SPIKE]

I ran T-bol for the first time this past summer in a cutter. All I can say was that at 50mgs ED it was a great dissappointment. I got more sides then results. Occasionaly bothered my stomach but gave me the worst headaches. I'll never use it again...

D-bol gives me much better pumps and strength. I would take it hands down over T-bol...

[JiGGaMaN]

At a body fat of 14-16% i would say go with Tbol. Dbol at your bf % you will be significantly more likely to develop gyno then someone using dbol at say 8% bf since the body is more readily able to convert it to estrogen at higher bf levels. this is from both research and personal experience. go with tbol 60-80mg a day since almost none of it will be converted via aromatase enzyme. You may not get the same results, but your nipples will thank you. Also as compensation you can try running tbol a bit longer than you would dbol as its less toxic, something like wk 1-8 tbol 60mg/day.

[skipp]

I think since your taking letro you can get away with dbol, otherwise i'd say turni..

[marcus300]

dbol 100%

[STEROIDZZ]

bump

[lil swoll]

i personally dont like any steroid that converts heavly to estrogen ( to damn sensative to estro). so i voted tbol

[STEROIDZZ]

So your telilng me it converts to estrogen higher then say test $ deca ?

[G-1000]

So your telilng me it converts to estrogen higher then say test $ deca ?

No faster

[Tren Bull]

So your telilng me it converts to estrogen higher then say test $ deca ?

ive heard that dbol is one of the worst as far as aromatization is concerned

[Hellmaskbanned]

& that's why I like my good friend T-bol....( The gentle DBol)

It's also more gentle on strength & Size gains but HEY! Come on now....It's still my pride & joy.

And by the way, I voted DBOL! For his cycle, but not for mine!

[STEROIDZZ]

So hellmask you think since im going to blow up .. i might as well add some dbol and blow up more ? Do you think the letro is powerful enough at .25 a day to minimize even stop the aromatization from the dbol/ test/ deca?

[Hellmaskbanned]

So hellmask you think since im going to blow up .. i might as well add some dbol and blow up more ? Do you think the letro is powerful enough at .25 a day to minimize even stop the aromatization from the dbol/ test/ deca?

Thats an all out bulking cycle. Test/deca/dbol = MASS.
You should want some estrogen in the body to see more gains. If you want to cut you should be using EQ/Winstrol......better compounds that don't aromatize much. Are you really prone to estrogenic sides?

[G-1000]

this is all you need as for the cycle.

1-14 test 500mg
1-12 deca 400mg
1-4 d-bol 50mg
1-14 l-dex
1-14 200mg b-6

14-pct nolv and clomid with trib

[guest589745]

Dbol too has very little sides.. Water retention aside what else is there to fear? Increased Nitrogen retention? Increased glycogen synthesis? What?



Nark

Dbol gave me horrible headaches at 40mg ed for the first week and a half, sluggish feeling unless I removed 99% of sodium in my diet, slightly decreased apppetite as well.

Not sure if all of those are FROM water retention but just wanted to throw that out there. Dbol is good though.

[pdog80]

T-bol for me. I hate all the bloat and painful back pumps I got from d-bol. Don't get me wrong, d-bol is a great bulker but t-bol worked out great for me minus the occasional stomach cramps. Also, why all the primo bashing in here. In my opinion, it's a great cutter and I'd go with primo over masteron any day. Just my 2 cents.

[Tren Bull]

Dbol gave me horrible headaches at 40mg ed for the first week and a half, sluggish feeling unless I removed 99% of sodium in my diet, slightly decreased apppetite as well.

Not sure if all of those are FROM water retention but just wanted to throw that out there. Dbol is good though.

really? i ran it at 100 mgs ed for a few weeks of this cycle and i felt fine... amped up, but other than that no different than when im not on anything

[2.minutes]

go east go west D-BOL is the best

[STEROIDZZ]

I am not sure if im prone to gyno or not... but it does seem from my previous (un experienced cycles) my nipples are pointy / puffy) so in concluding that i would assume im gyno prone....

I already have my PCT gear// Nolva/ Clomid// also to run through cycle i have letro ... try to reverse previous gyno.. and run throughout cycle...

Like you all have suggested... everyones bodys reacts different to different gear.... i figured the letro would help minimize the water bloat??? is that wrong to assume? ( the extra bloat Dbol would cause)

[Tren Bull]

go east go west D-BOL is the best

i agree bro. dbol is tight. i love taking it with several other types of long lasting injectable roids

[STEROIDZZ]

Tren bull you offically have the best picture of anyone hahaha

[statuZ]

imo tbol is garbage (waits for Ross to sign up and flame)

I'd go with dbol.. or better yet.. i'd 'kick-start' the cycle with a short-estered version of your main compound

In this case.. i'd go with Test-prop kickstart.

Nark

i definately liked DBOL ALOT MORE, for Both mass and strength.
the only reason i absolutely HATE dbol is the moon face that it gives me its ridiculous. definately a badass compound