For the low carb dieters

[stayinstacked]

For anybody who is going really low carb trhoughout their entire diet, you might wanna watch this. This vid hits the nail on the head and will explain to you why you feel like shit,and why you will lose weight but still look like shit. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf2dLpJE9N8

[IronFreakX]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255480

[mariana]

Low carb diets are great when you know how to use them for your body. My man uses a variation of one and it works very well for him. Always someone bashing low carb diets.

[xpijeonx]

Low carb diets are great when you know how to use them for your body. My man uses a variation of one and it works very well for him. Always someone bashing low carb diets.

I see things differently here(on this board) anyway. Only as of late have I noticed the low carb diet "bashing".

Not bashing for me cause I like eating carbs and have since started adjusting my diet(adding more carbs) and getting stronger and bigger and staying around the same BF if not a touch less.

Most of the time that I have been a member I think I would say I have read much more people using low carb then not.

I dont post much but I read alot and I wish I could read it all but I cant.

[Superballer]

What is the definition (loosely) of low-carb?

Under what amount of carbs would make a pro/fat cutting diet with some pro/carb meal timed specifically a "low carb diet"?

Thanks

[IronFreakX]

What is the definition (loosely) of low-carb?

Under what amount of carbs would make a pro/fat cutting diet with some pro/carb meal timed specifically a "low carb diet"?

Thanks

For me I guess anything under 30-40%???

[IronFreakX]

I guess it depends on what you consider normal-high??

If someones normal diet is 45-35-25 (pro-carb-fat)

Then 30% would be moderate low

25% would be low

20% would be very low

etc......

All depends on what your normal is

[Kärnfysikern]

I always cut low carb(100grams/day or so on workout days, less on rest days) and I never feel like shit. On the contrary I always have plenty of energy and always make good strenght gains.

[Kärnfysikern]

Its also interesting to remember that we humans have evolved on low carb diets. For most of our evolution there was no rice, pasta or potatoes. We lived on fruits, nuts and meat.

Some people seem to do best with high carbs though and some with low. Thats just the way it is.

[AleX-69]

Its also interesting to remember that we humans have evolved on low carb diets. For most of our evolution there was no rice, pasta or potatoes. We lived on fruits, nuts and meat.

Some people seem to do best with high carbs though and some with low. Thats just the way it is.

that is exactly how it is, and I feel great on low carbs (around 100gramms that is mostly vegetables and fruit).

[IronFreakX]

So basically you guys follow a paleolithic diet??

[IronFreakX]

I think its awesome to be honest, but I cant imagine myself getting enough calories from it, not to mention the cost...fvck food prices

[AleX-69]

Moreover even back then as mentzer pointed out the disadvatages of low carb dieting there were a lot of other opinons on this topic.. Vince Gironda for example advocated a cutting diet consisting basicly on eggs and meat. If you are not familiar with gironda he trained Mohamed Makkaway, Larry Scott, Arnold (partly),... well i don't think those guys looked "like shit"

[AleX-69]

jup i do paleolithic and it is the best thing i have done nutrition wise in my life. I plan on staying on a paleo diet the rest of my life, actually.

Cost wise it is a bit on the expensive side. No grains and starches allowed so most of the calories come from meat, nuts, eggs, and fruits. all rather priecy food compared to rice, pasta...

[IronFreakX]

Moreover even back then as mentzer pointed out the disadvatages of low carb dieting there were a lot of other opinons on this topic.. Vince Gironda for example advocated a cutting diet consisting basicly on eggs and meat. If you are not familiar with gironda he trained Mohamed Makkaway, Larry Scott, Arnold (partly),... well i don't think those guys looked "like shit"

jk

I read Gironda's book, some contradictions and I didnt get his obssession with liver tabs but ok

I think we should go by how we feel and what out insticts say, sometimes Id think ahhh fvck that, Im gonna puke if I eat grains, veggies or anything I want meat!!!! some people dont care for it.

I think as long as people's food choices are healthy (ie natural foods) they should choose whichever % breakdown suits them best, there is no 1 routine fits all, Xcept what I say ofcourse.

[AleX-69]

jk

I read Gironda's book, some contradictions and I didnt get his obssession with liver tabs but ok

Yeah, he was downing approx 60tabs or more a day.. i would never wanna do that. But after all he was some pretty intelligent guy for his time. I still do some of his training techniques actually.

I think we should go by how we feel and what out insticts say, sometimes Id think ahhh fvck that, Im gonna puke if I eat grains, veggies or anything I want meat!!!! some people dont care for it.

I think as long as people's food choices are healthy (ie natural foods) they should choose whichever % breakdown suits them best, there is no 1 routine fits all, Xcept what I say ofcourse.

[Kärnfysikern]

So basically you guys follow a paleolithic diet??

Not realy. I dont only stick to the food that where aviable back then I have a weakness for sausage(and not in the gay sense of the word you pervert).

But I would love to try a real paleolithic diet out with majority of carbs from fruit and majority fat from nuts,eggs and meat. Might do that this fall when I think about it hmmm. I truly belive it is the most healthy diet.

[Kärnfysikern]

I think its awesome to be honest, but I cant imagine myself getting enough calories from it, not to mention the cost...fvck food prices

Well nuts is a easy way to get kcal But I agree with the cost. Meat is ****ing expensive and fruits and veggies nowdays arent as nutrituous as they are suposed to be either

[Kärnfysikern]

jup i do paleolithic and it is the best thing i have done nutrition wise in my life. I plan on staying on a paleo diet the rest of my life, actually.

Cost wise it is a bit on the expensive side. No grains and starches allowed so most of the calories come from meat, nuts, eggs, and fruits. all rather priecy food compared to rice, pasta...

Could you possibly start a thread with a breakdown of your daily meals? I would be very interested in how it looks

[AleX-69]

i'll shoot you a pm.. don't know if anyone else is interested

[IronFreakX]

i'll shoot you a pm.. don't know if anyone else is interested

[Herris]

I did atkins induction for 7 months. 20gm carb or less a day.

I didn't feel like shit all the time. Felt fine. Lost 75 pounds.

I get more carbs now but still mostly fresh vegetables. I've added low carb breads and such to my diet. I still check for sugar content in my foods. Lately on Saturdays I've been eating a big ass bowl of vietnamese food with egg noodles. Biggest carb day of the entire week.

[rar1015]

Ive tried low carb diets before and they suck ass IMO. I lost like 10lbs in a week doing it which was good but i felt like sh!t and looked like sh!t. I have never been more tired than i was doing a diet like that. I would never do another one of those diets again. Some people like them and some dont and im one of the one's that doesnt.

[audis4]

I hate them too....I feel so weak and lethargic all day and all I want to do is sit and watch tv and daydream about food.

[oswaldosalcedo]

What is the definition (loosely) of low-carb?

Under what amount of carbs would make a pro/fat cutting diet with some pro/carb meal timed specifically a "low carb diet"?

Thanks

low carb is under 100 gr of carbs.
very low carbs less tha 50 gr of carbs.

keto diets burn a lot of fat,i have done it several times.
demand a lot of knowledge.

[Prada]

I can handle low carb diets. I have a little preWO and some in my PWO. Eventually it gets to you but hey no pain no f-gain. So yes a CKD diet requires discipline and determination but the results are good. You get to appreciate and cherish cheat meals

[audis4]

I prefer preserving muscle and eating good carbs.

[audis4]

Although going very low carb helped me drop from 245 to 185 rather quickly. I did lose some muscle but thank goodness for muscle memory.

[oswaldosalcedo]

I prefer preserving muscle and eating good carbs.

Metabolism, 2002 Jul;51(7):864-70.

Body composition and hormonal responses to a carbohydrate-restricted diet.

• Volek JS,
• Sharman MJ,
• Love DM,
• Avery NG,
• Gomez AL,
• Scheett TP,
• Kraemer WJ.

Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269-1110, USA.

The few studies that have examined body composition after a carbohydrate-restricted diet have reported enhanced fat loss and preservation of lean body mass in obese individuals. The role of hormones in mediating this response is unclear. We examined the effects of a 6-week carbohydrate-restricted diet on total and regional body composition and the relationships with fasting hormone concentrations. Twelve healthy normal-weight men switched from their habitual diet (48% carbohydrate) to a carbohydrate-restricted diet (8% carbohydrate) for 6 weeks and 8 men served as controls, consuming their normal diet. Subjects were encouraged to consume adequate dietary energy to maintain body mass during the intervention. Total and regional body composition and fasting blood samples were assessed at weeks 0, 3, and 6 of the experimental period. Fat mass was significantly (P <or=.05) decreased (-3.4 kg) and lean body mass significantly increased (+1.1 kg) at week 6. There was a significant decrease in serum insulin (-34%), and an increase in total thyroxine (T(4)) (+11%) and the free T(4) index (+13%). Approximately 70% of the variability in fat loss on the carbohydrate-restricted diet was accounted for by the decrease in serum insulin concentrations. There were no significant changes in glucagon, total or free testosterone, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), cortisol, or triiodothyronine (T(3)) uptake, nor were there significant changes in body composition or hormones in the control group. Thus, we conclude that a carbohydrate-restricted diet resulted in a significant reduction in fat mass and a concomitant increase in lean body mass in normal-weight men, which may be partially mediated by the reduction in circulating insulin concentrations.
Copyright 2002, Elsevier Science (USA). All rights reserved.

[bor]

i'll shoot you a pm.. don't know if anyone else is interested

I am, and I bet a lot of other bros are

[bor]

I have a weakness for sausage(and not in the gay sense of the word you pervert).

LMAO

I ahte sauseage though, too greasy

[Katelette81]

I am, and I bet a lot of other bros are

I'd be interested in seeing that as well Alex..

[1buffsob]

For anybody who is going really low carb trhoughout their entire diet, you might wanna watch this. This vid hits the nail on the head and will explain to you why you feel like shit,and why you will lose weight but still look like shit. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf2dLpJE9N8

Some people would rather lose weight than fat. Not really what I'm looking for, but hey, to each their own.

I've tried low carb (under 100g), keto, CKD, moderate carb, and high carb. Best thing that works for me is a moderate carb diet (Around 180g for my weight). CKD gave me some great results as well, but I just couldn't handle the carb refeeds. Felt too lethargic, not too mention the horrible gas and bloating that accompanied the carb refeeds. But whatever approach you use for cutting, occasional carb replinishing is important.

1buffsob

[Kärnfysikern]

here is a interesting study that shows that very low carb diets is protective against muscle loss

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1373635

[AleX-69]

kk.. i will open up a new thread tomorrow on my paleo diet. I even revised it a little from the one i pm'ed johan the other day. Maybe i can also include some basic info..

[Prada]

I believe that for "bodybuilders" who are interested in preserving muscle mass in conjonction with fat loss can utilize the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet approach with great success, not for the faint but unlike a Atkins diet or "low carb" diets which are mostly for the sedentary, inactive people, this approach is for the active. It takes discipine especially not to be kicked out of ketosis but with determination it definitly gives good yield

[Superballer]

low carb is under 100 gr of carbs.
very low carbs less tha 50 gr of carbs.

keto diets burn a lot of fat,i have done it several times.
demand a lot of knowledge.

Thanks for that guideline.

I've cut successfully with pro/fat dieting, but always have much more carbs than that.

Thanks.