Here on LI, NY, I find that most the gyms in my immediate area (Sayville, NY) lack calf equip. Some in fact have all the equiptment (including Donkeys). But the problem is that these machines have inadequate weight stacks. Calves need a heavy load to respond. One gym, for example, has donkeys with a 500 pound stack and no handdle bars for additional plates. One has to do "quality training" or reduce the time between sets when you are limited to 500 pounds. Calves are of low priority and true bodybuilders - people who would give calves equal priority to other bodyparts, are clearly few and far between. What to do? I guess I can go online and by a used donkey machine for myself. Where's there's a will there's a way right? Damn!