Sobriety check points, what's your thought?

[305GUY]

cent what is this, they have a check point at a boarder? like your crossing states you mean?

No... pigs set up a road block on a normally popular road and ask every car that passes through for their license and registration. they claim to be looking for drunk drivers ... IMO they do it when they need to make a certain ticket/arrest quota

[collar]

oh fair enough, yeah that seems stupid of them.
money, they need to make money some how.

[stik]

It's all about desensitization, and revenues of course. The Orwellian dream is sinching up around us and most will welcome it because of how the powers that be play on our emotions. Get ready for chip implantation and cashless societys as well. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but it's coming soon!
And to all of the Americans here-NEVER give up your firearms!
An unarmed society is helpless against ANY aggressor.

[goodcents]

Its not the same thing. Not even a good analogy. A house its your property you own it. A car you may own. But your are using it on public roads. The state owns them. They are giving you permission to use them with certain conditions.

Well I thought it was

[goodcents]

And that is a bad thing ? seems to me its way to easy to get killed in the US. Freedom gone mad if you ask me

nnooooo I still like kale

[JDawg1536]

Why would anyone disagree? In socal they just ask you where you are headed, if they smell alcohol, they pull you over. If you dont have a license or insurance, are drunk, or under the influence of drugs, you should not be operating a vehicle. Anyone who says its entrapment or infringing on our rights probably falls into one of those categories. Wait until they shut down these checkpoints and your mother, wife, or daughter is killed by a drunk driver. We'll see how you feel then.

[Deluge1]

Why would anyone disagree? In socal they just ask you where you are headed, if they smell alcohol, they pull you over. If you dont have a license or insurance, are drunk, or under the influence of drugs, you should not be operating a vehicle. Anyone who says its entrapment or infringing on our rights probably falls into one of those categories. Wait until they shut down these checkpoints and your mother, wife, or daughter is killed by a drunk driver. We'll see how you feel then.

Thank you...

I mean come on people. If you really consider being PULLED over for safety precautions to be a significant inconveinence than your life is pretty damn good. You coud be in another country being dictated...

Drunk drivers KILL people. And everyone that dies is someones father, mother, brother or sister.

Would you have a problem allowig the police to do their checkpoint if it would save YOUR mother or father?

I wouldn't....

[sooners04]

Check points are good. In my City you have to clear it with the court system and you must have a standard procedure. You HAVE to clerify if your going to pull over EVERY car or EVERY 3 cars etc... They have thier purpose and it all has to do with the REASONABLE PERSON TEST. On any night is it reasonable to believe that there could be a drunk driver on the road, YES therefore the courts have agreed that as long as they are CONSISTENT with their check point it does not violate any rights. The house argument has to do with reasonable expectation of privacy and in your home you have it and on the road you don't PER SE. You have the privacy of whats INSIDE your car out of PLAIN VIEW but as far as being stopped randomly you don't. And the cops don't care about generating money from citations. In my state all but two dollars goes to the school system and the other two bucks goes to the law enforcement center. We could care less about the money. I do care that I pay for insurance and licensing on my car so all you other people should too.

[goodcents]

Why would anyone disagree? In socal they just ask you where you are headed, if they smell alcohol, they pull you over. If you dont have a license or insurance, are drunk, or under the influence of drugs, you should not be operating a vehicle. Anyone who says its entrapment or infringing on our rights probably falls into one of those categories. Wait until they shut down these checkpoints and your mother, wife, or daughter is killed by a drunk driver. We'll see how you feel then.

I've never been drunk in my life, and yes I've known people killed by drunk drivers. They could come up with a better way to do it. More patrol, harsher punishment more repeat offenders (I like counseling better, too many people "tossed" away in jail) most drunks that kill people are repeat offenders that keep driving even w/o a liscense. I don't think the "it's good for the public interest" is an excuse. We just accept every new law with " it doesn't effect me much"

[goodcents]

Why would anyone disagree? In socal they just ask you where you are headed, if they smell alcohol, they pull you over. If you dont have a license or insurance, are drunk, or under the influence of drugs, you should not be operating a vehicle. Anyone who says its entrapment or infringing on our rights probably falls into one of those categories. Wait until they shut down these checkpoints and your mother, wife, or daughter is killed by a drunk driver. We'll see how you feel then.

Are thousands not killed each year now, if they stop doing check points will drunk drivers kill us all. Most drunks are captured during traffic stops and citizens reporting a drunk driver. I don't think it does as much good as it lets on. They should only check for drunks, not the other bs I never thought of a freedom like driving "my" car to be a privilege.
I'm more against drunk drivers then most people, hell if everyone was like me there would be no achohol, because I don't drink and don't understand the whole "wasted" thing, but to each their own.

[neverenuff21]

It's all about desensitization, and revenues of course. The Orwellian dream is sinching up around us and most will welcome it because of how the powers that be play on our emotions. Get ready for chip implantation and cashless societys as well. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but it's coming soon!
And to all of the Americans here-NEVER give up your firearms!
An unarmed society is helpless against ANY aggressor.

truer words were never spoke

[neverenuff21]

Are thousands not killed each year now, if they stop doing check points will drunk drivers kill us all.

Natural selection. We're over populated already

[Superhuman]

Natural selection. We're over populated already

yes, you speak the truth!

[goodcents]

It's all about desensitization, and revenues of course. The Orwellian dream is sinching up around us and most will welcome it because of how the powers that be play on our emotions. Get ready for chip implantation and cashless societys as well. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but it's coming soon!
And to all of the Americans here-NEVER give up your firearms!
An unarmed society is helpless against ANY aggressor.

They already take dna samples from kids and take their fingerprints and put it into a data base. (supposely so when your kid is murdered they can id them, but don't think they won't use it to id them when they grow up) I hear alot about the cashless thing, without cash, they can make sure to get their revenues (easy to track)

[gixxerboy1]

I've never been drunk in my life, and yes I've known people killed by drunk drivers. They could come up with a better way to do it. More patrol, harsher punishment more repeat offenders (I like counseling better, too many people "tossed" away in jail) most drunks that kill people are repeat offenders that keep driving even w/o a liscense. I don't think the "it's good for the public interest" is an excuse. We just accept every new law with " it doesn't effect me much"

well thats a good idea to treat the people who already caught. But how about stopping the new person who hasnt hurt themselves or someone else.

[mrmagoo82]

They dont have too many stops where i live

[Stumbo]

I think check points are great.

I think they should have checkpoints for illegal immigrants too.

[JDawg1536]

I think check points are great.

I think they should have checkpoints for illegal immigrants too.

They do.

[stik]

Recently in Austin, Texas cops were pulling people over for no reason.
The offiSSer would then ask to see their liscense and insurance.
Then he would run a warrant check at his car, if it came up clean he would
return the liscense and insurance and explain that they were targeting people who drove courteous and safe so they could personally thank them face to face. It caused somewhat of an uproar. I mean where do we draw the line?
Don't get me wrong, I think drunk drivers are idiots and should be dealt with harshly when caught the typical way.And all I know is Our forefathers revolted over ALOT less than what the elite pulls these days.

[sooners04]

The problem in my state at least is the punishment. I have a good friend who got busted for his 3rd DUI in May and recieved a year and a half probation, revoked license and a $500.00 fine. Thats after he spent a month in jail because nobody would bail him out. He is a good guy and a good friend just doesn't make good decisions. He should have recieved another 90 in jail IMO. Weak courts!!

[Stumbo]

They do.

Really? Sweet.

[Bojangles69]

haha last time i went through one i was like 17 and had shit in my car. good thing they didnt get the doggies out. but yeh they are good imo.

[goodcents]

The problem in my state at least is the punishment. I have a good friend who got busted for his 3rd DUI in May and recieved a year and a half probation, revoked license and a $500.00 fine. Thats after he spent a month in jail because nobody would bail him out. He is a good guy and a good friend just doesn't make good decisions. He should have recieved another 90 in jail IMO. Weak courts!!

I'm with you there, by ex was drunk went through a red light, totalled her car and another guys car and bailed out that night for get this amount= $100 and they gave it back to her when she went to court. It was her second dui, but she was outside of her car when the cops showed up so they can't totally prove she was driving (even though it was her car and everybody saw her driving and she had seatbelt bruises and a cut on her forehead and powder from the airbags ) I'm still against check points, but we need to get smarter with these drunks

[goodcents]

Here is the part that pisses me off, when I was a teen I was speeding on the highway and had to bail out for $200, but my ex totalled 2 cars while drunk and only had to pay $100 which they gave back. Imagine getting a call from an "emergency" nurse at night saying your girlfriend was in an accident and we need you to come down. They didn't want to tell me how bad she was hurt, but finally after demanding over and over they said it wasn't serious. So I go to the hospital and before I round a corner, I hear police radios and see them interviewing my girl in a hospital room (she was setting up and fine, but it scared me alot, as a sidebar, we were semi-broken up so I fuked the hell out of her that night she was like" you're taking advantage of me being depressed" oh well, she cancelled a date to go have 3 long island teas of course the accident was'nt her fault "they made the drinks strong at that bar"

[IronFreakX]

I think they should issue small reliable breathlizers when u get ur license which should be payed for by the social security money(ie money for lazy drugged/drunk fvcks who dont wanna work).

It should be issued and its up to you to use it or not, if you drive while ur drunk or cant pass the sobierty test(for other drugs.

You should NEVER be allowed to drive again, and anyone who is caught doing so should be sentenced to 10 years in jail.

[Anabolios]

If your not drinking then whats the big deal?

My brother was hit by a drunk driver. If doing that helps keep people off the road when drinking then I am all for it.

This is coming from a biased point of view and there is nothing wrong with that. You have been affected strongly by a drunken driver so you are all for these check points. Reminds me of a response I had to goodcents when he said tanning was perfectly safe...I reacted strongly and disagreed because my father had died of skin cancer. I know you remember that goodcents! But it's all good now I apologized for my rude words and we came to an understanding. There will always be two sides to any issue like this, but I guess it makes for some good debating
As for my personal opinion I don't knoq if I believe in these road blocks....they do have their place though to keep everyone safe on the road.

[IronFreakX]

Punishments for DUIS are A FREAKING JOKE!

By their logic, I should be able to shoot my gun in the air in the middle of the street and if I only hit tires and cause a couple of cars to toalt but dont injure anyone I should pay a $200 fine and then get my Concealed weapons permit back......

Thats basically how it is, instead of the gun and the angry person....put car and drunk person, and we take it so lightly.......

IMO FVCK check points, I will not cooperate, I will ask the cops for THEIR ID to make sure theyre not trying to scam me, I will check their ID 1st and verify, if everything is fine with me then I might show them my ID but will not answer anything I do not have to.

The Solution is VERY SIMPLE: Stop being fvcking leniant assholes, make the punishments, HARSH and CRUEL and then people will stop drinking&driving.

I dont want my peace of mind disturbed because they cant toughen up and let people take responsibility for their fvcking actions

[humungus88]

Then why not require interlock (breathalizer) on all cars. That is the only way to be sure no drunks will be on the road. Even though there are ways to cheat interlock, it should keep %95 of drunks from behind the wheel.

[IronFreakX]

Then why not require interlock (breathalizer) on all cars. That is the only way to be sure no drunks will be on the road. Even though there are ways to cheat interlock, it should keep %95 of drunks from behind the wheel.

This is MY logic behind it:

I do not want to have to breathe in one to start my fvcking motorcycle(I dont have a car and dont wanna get one) it is simply an option and if u choose to ignore it and drive, then u suffer the punishment.

thats the beauty of it, no forcing of anything, you take responsibility for YOUR OWN ACTIONS, if you dont, then you WILL BE PUNISHED and the police will make YOU ACCOUNTABLE.

Add 5 years+NEVER drive again to someone with a DUI, that should CUT DOWN the numbers DRAMATICALLY.

[goodcents]

This is coming from a biased point of view and there is nothing wrong with that. You have been affected strongly by a drunken driver so you are all for these check points. Reminds me of a response I had to goodcents when he said tanning was perfectly safe...I reacted strongly and disagreed because my father had died of skin cancer. I know you remember that goodcents! But it's all good now I apologized for my rude words and we came to an understanding. There will always be two sides to any issue like this, but I guess it makes for some good debating
As for my personal opinion I don't knoq if I believe in these road blocks....they do have their place though to keep everyone safe on the road.

I was going to jump on that, till I read farther "you idiot" jk It's a hot subject, because everyone one way or another has been touched by drunk drivers (death of friends, family and higher insurance rates) I sure don't want to sound "pro drunk" I have never been drunk and don't drink, I have seen first hand death from drunk drivers. I just think the "scare" tactics used by groups should not factor into a rational discision.( I mean if you listened to the media long enough you would think guns jump up and kill pre school kids w/o anyone holding them or steriods turn us into mass murderers )