bigdude - i think what happened was that a lot of other bb'ers competed in the Mr Universe instead of the O. these 2 guys competed anyway, they are officially listed as "did not place". seems pretty bad when there are 3 competitors and the ifbb refuse to place 2 of them (doesn't sound like they were any good, but i can't seem to find photos of them anywhere).

there are definitely a few years where something strange was going on, i feel sorry for guys like mentzer and robinson. it seems like once you are a mr o, you don't lose until you retire.