Surprised to finally find out what dextrose really is!

[Lavinco]

So I finally ordered me some good ole dextrose off the internet last week because I just could not find the stuff anywhere here in my midsized city.

I felt like an ass though when it arrived and alls the shit is, is powdered sugar that my mom used to use to make cake frosting when I was a young lad.

Ironically, I came across some in a bag today at Save-A-Lot called "Powdered Sugar" made from corn startch. (A cheap food store whe I save a few bucks on my chicken breast.)

[audis4]

ok....cool

[Jack Rabbit Slim]

Dextrose is just powdered suger? So what is the point in taking this stuff? For the insuline spike?

[BrokenBricks]

Dextrose is glucose. It has a different name becuase of a convention in organic chemistry that is used to name stereoisomers. Your hands are stereoisomers. They have the exact same structure in every detail, but in mirror image. In any case, any time some says glucose they mean dextrose and visa versa.

People use it because it stimulates insulin. Fructose sucks beucase you must ingest glucose to even absorb the stuff in your intestines well. And then, once you ingest it, it doesnt stimulate insulin until the liver turns it into glucose. Table sugar, sucrose, is just one fructose and one glucose stuck together.

Since the idea is to shuttle protien to the muscles, and not so much to just consume carb calories, using pure glucose (which is THE main regulator of insulin) allows you to get the most slimulation for muscle anabolism at the lowest level of carbs.

[Kärnfysikern]

Dextrose is just powdered suger? So what is the point in taking this stuff? For the insuline spike?

the point is that it was (falsely) assumed that the extra insulin spike from dextrose would increase protein synthesis more than the avarage insulin spike from oats or fruits for instance.

But it turns out it doesnt work that way since there is no noticable difference in protein synthesis betwen low and high gi foods pwo and because pwo nutrition as a whole is not as important as people belive.

It works to use dextrose though so if anyone preferes using it its all good But it has no advantage.

[perfectbeast2001]

Yep I swithed to oats unless im running slin.

[Chins]

the point is that it was (falsely) assumed that the extra insulin spike from dextrose would increase protein synthesis more than the avarage insulin spike from oats or fruits for instance.

But it turns out it doesnt work that way since there is no noticable difference in protein synthesis betwen low and high gi foods pwo and because pwo nutrition as a whole is not as important as people belive.

It works to use dextrose though so if anyone preferes using it its all good But it has no advantage.

So what does your PWO shake look like?

Funny how about 3 yrs ago this board was all over the whole dextrose thing. People tend to think they are experts and then bam 3 yrs later this shat has no good values. Kinda the reason why I went natty recently and eat clean and take natural supps. well besides a eca stack I suppose

[Kärnfysikern]

So what does your PWO shake look like?

Funny how about 3 yrs ago this board was all over the whole dextrose thing. People tend to think they are experts and then bam 3 yrs later this shat has no good values. Kinda the reason why I went natty recently and eat clean and take natural supps. well besides a eca stack I suppose

My pwo shake is yoghurt+whey and my pre workout shake is identical but I add a banana to it.

If new studies comes up people have to be willing to change oppinions.

[Undecided09]

Well the Dex, IMO, isn't there to aid protein synthesis Johan, when your insilin spikes your body becomes sensitive to absorbtion and nutrient retention, atleast thats my understanding of it Johan????

[Chins]

Does yogurt have enough carbs???? you do beleive that carbs are needed post workout don't you?

On a side note right now I am working out and running like a mad man. My diet is shorta clean but not like it has been in the past. The only supp I am taking is eca adn my strength and looks are chaning tremendously. I have not taken a PWO shake in 2 wks

[Undecided09]

Does yogurt have enough carbs???? you do beleive that carbs are needed post workout don't you?

On a side note right now I am working out and running like a mad man. My diet is shorta clean but not like it has been in the past. The only supp I am taking is eca adn my strength and looks are chaning tremendously. I have not taken a PWO shake in 2 wks

Your PWO shake is directly correlated to your diet, someone who is cuttin is not going to have nearly as many carbs there as someone trying to pack on the lbs....

[Chins]

In the last 5 yrs on this board I have not seen too many people get concerned with post workout shakes and what they actually contain. Most ppl don't care because your body devours those cals so quickly for recovery.


Johan- I use a shake called mass recovery and I love it. You like those?

[Kärnfysikern]

Well the Dex, IMO, isn't there to aid protein synthesis Johan, when your insilin spikes your body becomes sensitive to absorbtion and nutrient retention, atleast thats my understanding of it Johan????

Well yes if you want to replenish glycogen stores quickly a dextrose shake is benifical. But repleneshing glycogen stores quickly does nothing for muscle growth so its only needed if you are planning on some endurance activity a few hours after the workout.

If not the glycogen stores will replenish during the day and you will still be fully charged to the next workout.

So even though insulin increase shuttling of carbs into the muscle it is of no importance to us

Does yogurt have enough carbs???? you do beleive that carbs are needed post workout don't you?

On a side note right now I am working out and running like a mad man. My diet is shorta clean but not like it has been in the past. The only supp I am taking is eca adn my strength and looks are chaning tremendously. I have not taken a PWO shake in 2 wks

I belive carbs are needed yes. But not much. Just enough to release some insulin(only a tiny ammount is needed to blunt the catabolic hormones). So yoghurt contains plenty, especialy considering whey also causes insulin release.

In the last 5 yrs on this board I have not seen too many people get concerned with post workout shakes and what they actually contain. Most ppl don't care because your body devours those cals so quickly for recovery.


Johan- I use a shake called mass recovery and I love it. You like those?

The pwo shake isnt realy a big deal. What is important is a good pre workout nutrition since that is what causes the increase in protein synthesis, i.e that is what causes muscle growth. You can get away by eating practicly anything post workout aslong as it contains some carbs, but a whey shake would be preferable(in my oppinion atleast) since whey is rich on essential amino acids.

Never heard of mass recovery so cant tell

[Undecided09]

If not the glycogen stores will replenish during the day and you will still be fully charged to the next workout.

So even though insulin increase shuttling of carbs into the muscle it is of no importance to us

Thats interesting Johan, currently I am taking "muscularity" by Beverley International...singular free forming Amino Acid capsules...B6, B12, Biotin, Zinc, Chromium, L-leucine (2500 mg), L--Isolucine(835mg), and L-Valine(835 mgs)....I take that with every intake, as well as Ultra 40 which is 4x beef liver concentrate!!!

For my PWO shakes during bulking I was using CytoGainer by Cytosport, pretty good....60 grams of protein, 95 grams of carbs, and VERY low fat, like 5-10 grams....So lean PWO nutrition...

~M.A.D.

[Chins]

well a scoop of whey and a 60 cent yogurt sure would be cheaper then a $3 shake. Interesting