What is the shortest cycle reccomended?

[GGallin]

first of all, you need to dramatically lower your bf. at 19%, you're not a bodybuilder, you're just fat. not trying to be a d*ck, just being honest. a bb's bf% should never go above 13% max IMO. anything more than that and you just look like a fat-ass. honestly, take a picture of yourself and take a good honest look at it. not that impressive, right? from your stats, it sounds like you have a decent amount of muscle, but the problem is, it's covered in a lot of fat. you get rid of that fat and you should have a pretty decent physique.

so, for starters, you need to start spending the next 3 months cutting up. read the stickies in the diet forum for info in regards to all that. now, other than the appearance issues that the high bf% will cause, there's also a very big problem it will cause when doing a cycle, and that's aromitization. aromitization is the process where test converts to estrogen, something that is very unfavorable for those of us looking to build muscle mass. now, the more bf you have, the faster the test will convert to estrogen, and at 19%, it will be converting quite rapidly. this means less results from your gear, and far more side-effects, including a dramatically increased probability of you getting gyno.

now, i have to ask why is your bf at 19% and why are you ok with that? i've never let mine get past 14% and even when i've been there in the past, i think it looks horrible. seems like you need to get your diet in check more likely than not. you have a long way to go before you should be doing a cycle. even for a powerlifter (if by the slight chance that's what you're into), 19% is still a lot. gear will not make up for areas you're lacking in in regards to diet, training, etc. you need to get everything else in check before even considering a cycle.

as far as whoever told you not to include the deca in your first cycle, toss that idea. combining different kinds of gear during a cycle causes a synergistic effect, meaning the sum is greater than it's parts. so, you'll get more bang for your buck and better results with smaller doses. simply lower your dose of test and take just a moderate dose of the deca. something like 400 test e/wk and 200 deca/wk. however, as i already stated, you need to lower your bf first or your results from your cycle will be quite disappointing.

I plan on losing more weight before my cycle. I was at 30% Bf a few months ago. I do have a good muscle size considering my Bf to weight ratio. I weigh 250 now, I assume at 220 I will be quite ripped. I did a Bf % test on a scale, not with the measing equipment so I dont know how accurate that is. I may be more around 15% or a little more. As for the deca I explained before that I was told NOT to use it first cycle so I plan on leaving that out and saving it for my next cycle. Although I didnt realize that having more BF would create more estrogen. My gear is on its way so I have some more time to cut fast before I start. My bench is already at 385 and I can curl about 150 so I am doing pretty good as far as strength and size goes. I just need to get a little thinner and get my diet in check although it is pretty good. I just feel that it keeps getting harder and harder to lose weight the smaller I get.

[ascendant]

I plan on losing more weight before my cycle. I was at 30% Bf a few months ago. I do have a good muscle size considering my Bf to weight ratio. I weigh 250 now, I assume at 220 I will be quite ripped. I did a Bf % test on a scale, not with the measing equipment so I dont know how accurate that is. I may be more around 15% or a little more. As for the deca I explained before that I was told NOT to use it first cycle so I plan on leaving that out and saving it for my next cycle. Although I didnt realize that having more BF would create more estrogen. My gear is on its way so I have some more time to cut fast before I start. My bench is already at 385 and I can curl about 150 so I am doing pretty good as far as strength and size goes. I just need to get a little thinner and get my diet in check although it is pretty good. I just feel that it keeps getting harder and harder to lose weight the smaller I get.

k, seems like you're headed in the right direction as far as dropping the bf. as far as the bf% test on the scale, those ones are completely worthless. extremely innacurate. gotta get the calipers and test that way to find out where you're really at. you can probably find a pair on ebay for like $5.

as far as the deca, who is it that told you not to use the deca and what was their justification? i already gave my reasoning behind using it, so i would love to hear his reasoning against it. it's up to you, but as i said, you'll get more results out of your gear doing a combo at smaller doses.

as far as it getting harder and harder to lose weight as you lose more bf, that's pretty much how it works. sucks, but not much you can do about it. just gotta keep gradually dropping the calories, gradually upping the cardio, and eventually you'll get to where you need to be.