Worried bout bro after dnp use

[rgbz]

Hey guys, just foundout my bros ran a dnp cycle without my knowledge.. the local gym dealer sold him some and told him to take four caps daily. Wow, hes been taking 1g for the first week when he finally said it was too much and he lowered it to 500mg.. he lost alotttt of weight/muscle obviously, he says he didnt notice cause of the serious bloat he had and his dealer kept tellin him the heat/feeling shit was normal.. hes not dumb when it comes to bbing, he usually goes with T3 but left it a lil late this time. The guy was 5'9 205lbs probly 13-14%.. ended the cycle at 186lbs 9-10%. its 6wks later now and hes 175 8-9%.

He came to me worried cause he's dropping weight even on 4000cals, i hit the gym with him yesterday and he was nearly collapsing after 2sets of squats and his lifts are down at least 50% and he looks a ton smaller then he was. He says he works out just does a few sets then he's sore for 3-4days after, can barely move etc. Thing is hes got a shoot coming up in feb and hes gotta be back to 200lbs at this bf but he cant even hold his weight? I've read about extreme toxicity from the DNP which makes you keep dropping weight, im telling him to go to the doc but hes sayin wait another week!

[RUI-Products]

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[HORSE~]

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[Knockout_Power]

30lbs in 6 weeks, I wish... but those sides are not worth any kind of results.... hope he gets better man

[godkilla]

this is like a nightmare

[rgbz]

Yeah its bad, also with steroid cleanse will that clear aussie customs? I've got him on ALA but i got no idea what the problem is, obviously the dnp is still around and doing something. Its like his ATP isnt working right at all, he does 2sets and his at failure at lightweight and sore for days after..

I was at his place last nite and he was too scared to take measurements but his arms are down bigtime and hes wearin baggy clothes everywhere. I couldnt think of anything worse then losing mass and not bein able to do anythin about it

[perfectbeast2001]

worrying story. Wish I had some good advice. Keep us informed and good luck.

[V_Vandetta]

Ok I have heard Of very few people that have had a reaction like this to DNP ... Now the problem IMO is with the 1gm dose he took and than continued even reducing the dose .. Because Dnp can heat the body temp to 103 + now at extreme high temps like running 1gm dose than coupled with a reduced dose will still keep that 1 g dose stable long enough to cause problems and if run for long periods with extreme Body temps will cause death and or permadent damage to the body.. So if it was the powder version or crystalline version wont matter when extreme doses are used .... part of the problem may be damage to the adrenal glad in the brain the regulates body temp.. thus if damaged may be stuck on high causing a extremely high metabolic effect... now that’s just guessing .. But than there are other factors as well ... So the best advice would be to seek medical attention AS SOON AS POSSIBLE .... because there may be damage done from the DNP.. To his body

Extreme DNP dosages can and will cause permanent damage to the body or death ... and needs to be taken care of post haste ... See this is the reason people should research compounds before taking and can prevent things like this from happening....

[rgbz]

^ thanks bro, yeah ill get him to hit the docs on monday.. he was gonna wait and see but ill make him go and come clean with what he was taking. It was crystal too according to the dealer so thats ALOT of dnp.. I think he's definately done some perm damage to himself but hopefully its just a temporary thing which will get better with time, so you've heard of this happening before tho?

[V_Vandetta]

^ thanks bro, yeah ill get him to hit the docs on monday.. he was gonna wait and see but ill make him go and come clean with what he was taking. It was crystal too according to the dealer so thats ALOT of dnp.. I think he's definately done some perm damage to himself but hopefully its just a temporary thing which will get better with time, so you've heard of this happening before tho?

Yes I have heard if this .. from people that escaped death from Dnp becasue ( high dosage) and causing permadent damge..... I yet to meet anyone that has fully recoverd from damage from DNP.. But I hope that he does for his sake .. and dont belive everything you hear.. did'nt it cross his mind that the guy at the gym suggested 1000mg ed becasue he could sell him more tabs ????

[rgbz]

yeah not good, i didnt know he'd used it untill he came to me with the sides.. I've run dnp before but never gone above 250mg cause sides/benefit ratio aint there for me. Hes gone thru the gym dealer before he just got screwed over and didnt realise how severe it was i gather. Ill get him in the doc monday though, I've read about extreme toxicity in the book building the perfect beast and its pretty similar to what hes experiening.. im hoping for his sake too that he recovers, best i can do for him at the moment is to keep downing vit-a, c, e and ALA but he needs a doc.

[V_Vandetta]

yeah not good, i didnt know he'd used it untill he came to me with the sides.. I've run dnp before but never gone above 250mg cause sides/benefit ratio aint there for me. Hes gone thru the gym dealer before he just got screwed over and didnt realise how severe it was i gather. Ill get him in the doc monday though, I've read about extreme toxicity in the book building the perfect beast and its pretty similar to what hes experiening.. im hoping for his sake too that he recovers, best i can do for him at the moment is to keep downing vit-a, c, e and ALA but he needs a doc.

I would not wait untill monday...... TAKE HIM TODAY .. becasue remeber in books about DNP side effects tell side effects reaction problems there is no telling wht kind of damage at extreme high temps the body can face because at 104+ the body starts coking it's self inside out So higher the temp the wrose it was ........... So i would go ASAP becasue no telling how is imuine system is .. and so forth

[goose]

I really dont like the doses he is using,,technically using a gram for a newbie is over dose level.DNP can be a killer with it`s long half-life.The postive is dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms.

Let me make myself clear at doses around 1G it is possible to cook your oragans.All the best for your brother.

[Maetenloch]

1g is a LOT of DNP - I believe that the LD50 dose is somewhere around 2 grams. Personally I found that even 400mg/day is very uncomfortable.
Even at a 1g/day level, all of the DNP would be out of his body within two weeks. From everything I've read, the damaging effects of a DNP overdose come from high body temperature and ATP starvation of cells, but these go away very quickly as the DNP leaves the body. He should go see a doctor and get tested to see what's going on. This may be an after effect of the DNP, but it could also be something completely unrelated. Best to get it checked out.

[ascendant]

hes not dumb when it comes to bbing, he usually goes with T3 but left it a lil late this time. The guy was 5'9 205lbs probly 13-14%.. ended the cycle at 186lbs 9-10%. its 6wks later now and hes 175 8-9%.

as far as him not being dumb, that info is incorrect. first of all, he takes t3 to lose fat? taken alone, that will rip off almost as much muscle as fat. why not clen or ECA, why t3? that alone is dumb.

now, what makes him even dumber is to start taking 1g of dnp without doing any research into it simply because a dealer who's making money off him taking the product tells him to. don't support him by telling him he's not dumb. he was an idiot and needs to be made aware of that. IF he hasn't done permanent damage to his body from all this, he needs to be made aware BY YOU (who i must say is obviously the more responsible of you two) that he could've killed himself. if he has done permanent damage, then i hope at least he'll learn not to just pop anything into himself without doing his research.

oh, and the last and biggest thing that i think makes him the stupidest of all this is "well, even though i'm losing muscle and shriveling up like a supermodel and my body is obviously severely f*cked right now, let me keep screwing it up for another week before i go to a doc". now, is he a bit down syndrome or does he tend to drop the weights on his head a lot in the gym? sorry man, but he's being really stupid right now and i think you need to slap him upside his head (very hard) and tell him what he needs to do, cause he's obviously not doing it himself.

[MrTAME]

I would not wait untill monday...... TAKE HIM TODAY .. becasue remeber in books about DNP side effects tell side effects reaction problems there is no telling wht kind of damage at extreme high temps the body can face because at 104+ the body starts coking it's self inside out So higher the temp the wrose it was ........... So i would go ASAP becasue no telling how is imuine system is .. and so forth

Yuppers absoltely right, the body does start to cook iteslf from the inside out and when it happens to the brain it is irreversable. Here is a good analogy, take a regular uncooked piece of chicken is pink right, now cook it and it turns white. That is totally irreversable and thats what will happen to youre brain if youre body gets too hot, not to mention all of youre other organs will begin to shut down as well due to extreme heat. I'd have to agree with everyone here and get youre bud to a doc today. Waiting on treating something like this could become even more serious if he waits till monday.

[rgbz]

update - he went to the doc this morning, i called him and he didnt have much time but he said hes had to stay the nite in hospital cause the doc said his tests were strange.

And with T3 he usually runs it alongside me and we run it with test, as for the dnp from experience and at a lowerdose with less bloat its hard to see the losses cause you bloat like crazy and might only lose a lb or two thruout then it goes away afterwards. Thanks for the help and concern tho bros ill keep yas all posted, i saw him yesterday and checked him out his restin heartrate was like 82bpm then he hit the bike for bout 5mins low intensity and it was like 125

So yeah possible heart damage rightthere, hes always been pretty fit.. worrying but hopefully the docs can sort somethin out, im pretty sure he told them what he was takin

[ascendant]

update - he went to the doc this morning, i called him and he didnt have much time but he said hes had to stay the nite in hospital cause the doc said his tests were strange.

And with T3 he usually runs it alongside me and we run it with test, as for the dnp from experience and at a lowerdose with less bloat its hard to see the losses cause you bloat like crazy and might only lose a lb or two thruout then it goes away afterwards. Thanks for the help and concern tho bros ill keep yas all posted, i saw him yesterday and checked him out his restin heartrate was like 82bpm then he hit the bike for bout 5mins low intensity and it was like 125

So yeah possible heart damage rightthere, hes always been pretty fit.. worrying but hopefully the docs can sort somethin out, im pretty sure he told them what he was takin

sounds like your bro there finally did something right. as far as you being pretty sure he told them what he was taking, i'd make damn sure he did. if he didn't, they have no idea what to look for and he may very well continue doing damage to himself because they don't know what to look for. finding problems within the human body isn't like fixing a tricycle.

well, keep us posted on the doctors findings, as i at least hope that this thread and the info about your friend will at least help a couple other people from doing something so stupid.

[*Narkissos*]

The guy was 5'9 205lbs probly 13-14%

lbm: 176 lbs.

ended the cycle at 186lbs 9-10%.

plus water bloat... estimated lbm: 167 lbs

its 6wks later now and hes 175 8-9%.

lbm: 159.25 lbs

Gross weight loss: 30 lbs..

Net muscle loss: 16 lbs


Doesn't seem like he lost a 'ton' of muscle. He lost the average amount of muscle that someone'd lose AAS-free on a 16-24 week cut

He came to me worried cause he's dropping weight even on 4000cals, i hit the gym with him yesterday and he was nearly collapsing after 2sets of squats and his lifts are down at least 50% and he looks a ton smaller then he was. He says he works out just does a few sets then he's sore for 3-4days after, can barely move etc.

The weakness can be expected. He consumed a ridiculously high amount of DNP v.s. his bodyweight/LBM. He lost a large amount of weight in a short space of time. You didn't indicate what his training or supplementation was on cycle so it's possible to fathom (though it'd be a rough guesstimate) that he got really depleted...and probably incurred some systemic oxidative damage to boot. Numerous people have noted a long-term strength deficit post-dnp runs. Personally i ran it for 7 days and have never gotten back to my pre-cycle strength ... NEVER! And my dosages weren't as high as his... and my bodyweight was higher.

Thing is hes got a shoot coming up in feb and hes gotta be back to 200lbs at this bf but he cant even hold his weight?

Who specified the weight? And this is irregardless of his bodyfat percentage?

I've read about extreme toxicity from the DNP which makes you keep dropping weight, im telling him to go to the doc but hes sayin wait another week!

Dunno what the doc could do at this point ('cept hospitalise him for possible organ damage)... cus at 6+ weeks there won't be any DNP left in his system.. Additionally, DNP is a chemical with no 'antidote'... I don't see even if there WAS serum dnp left.. what medical staff could do.

Best plan of action?

Reduce training duration/frequency now; reduce the kcal intake to maintenance (reduce external stressors period)... detox (including a diet change..incorporating predominantly fruit and vegetables to load up on the phytochemicals) ... bump up the vitamin C (and supporting antioxidant dosages) now...

All these processes could plausibly facilitate a reduction of stress..and promote 'regeneration'. Which is what your buddy's body probably needs to do at this point.

Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

^^ p.s.

Shoot his source

Nark

[*Narkissos*]

as far as him not being dumb, that info is incorrect. first of all, he takes t3 to lose fat? taken alone, that will rip off almost as much muscle as fat. why not clen or ECA, why t3? that alone is dumb.

Have you ever tried t3 alone?

[ascendant]

Have you ever tried t3 alone?

yes, i have. 50% of what i lost was muscle, 50% was fat. when using clen, eca, or even hydroxycut hardcore, i lost no muscle while doing all the same things. i also know that with t3, this is quite common for people. clen is just such a better choice cause of it's anti-catabolic properties. i just don't get why anyone would choose t3 over it? maybe it worked for him, but the guy obviously doesn't know what the hell he's doing anyway.