Dnp W/aas

[peteroy01]

im planning on running my first cutting cycle in mid Jan. ive read and read on DNP and AAS and i know it stops gains. but would a low dose like 200mg eod still stop gains? i plan on running-
500mg Prop a wk 1-10
100mg tren eod 1-8
50mg winny ed 4-10
200mg DNP eod for a month or so.(25mg T3ed)

This will be my 4th cycle and 2nd DNP run.

6ft, 220lb @ 15% BF

[Dog-Slime]

Why cant you just run them at different times? I would advise not to use the DNP ever.

[magic32]

im planning on running my first cutting cycle in mid Jan. ive read and read on DNP and AAS and i know it stops gains. but would a low dose like 200mg eod still stop gains? i plan on running-
500mg Prop a wk 1-10
100mg tren eod 1-8
50mg winny ed 4-10
200mg DNP eod for a month or so.(25mg T3ed)

This will be my 4th cycle and 2nd DNP run.

6ft, 220lb @ 15% BF

COMPLETELY FALSE!
DNP can do a lot of things, including poison and kill you, but it doesn't hinder aas gains at any dose.

M.

[cj1capp]

COMPLETELY FALSE!
DNP can do a lot of things, including poison and kill you, but it doesn't hinder aas gains at any dose.

M.

TRUST WHAT MAGIC SAYS, IVE COME TO BELIVE HE IS ONE OF THE BEST!

[goose]

I`m a very big surporter of DNP in cutting cycles only.Why cycle for 12-14 weeks or get the results in 50 days including DNP?

Attack hard then recover your body,the shorter your on cycle the better,and DNP enables you to do this in cutting cycles.

[tek.]

I thought DNP by lowering T3 levels lowered your protein synthesis and would inhibit gains greatly? correct me if im wrong though, read it somewhere

[briansauras]

I thought DNP by lowering T3 levels lowered your protein synthesis and would inhibit gains greatly? correct me if im wrong though, read it somewhere

Thats true, but are you expected to take DNP and lose 10lbs fat whiling bulidng 10lbs muscle because you are on aas?

The reason dnp is popular in combo with aas is to prevent muscle wasting. It is inevitable that you are going to lose muscle while doing any kind of cutting. aas just helps prevent alot of it. I believe tren inhibits aswell to some extent.

wk1-10 75mg prop ed
wk1-8 75mg tren ed
wk4-PCT 75-100mg winny ed
wk1-10 100mcg t3 ed
wk2-4 200mg dnp ed, <8-10 200mg dnp ed (optional)>

[magic32]

I thought DNP by lowering T3 levels lowered your protein synthesis and would inhibit gains greatly? correct me if im wrong though, read it somewhere

That's not true.

Firstly, because protein synthesis is not a centrally controlled mechanism, meaning it occurs at different satellite cites throughout the body. Secondly, because aas is far more adept at shuttling protein to said sites, the minimal at best T3 deficit protein loss is all but negated.

Such an activity (T3 lowering) can reduce synthesis, but not greatly and certainly not impactfully while on cycle. Though it is wise to add T3 during DNP consumption, it is primarily to maintain optimal thyroidal functioning not to augment protein synthesis.

M.

[Jay-Ace]

That's not true.

Firstly, because protein synthesis is not a centrally controlled mechanism, meaning it occurs at different satellite cites throughout the body. Secondly, because aas is far more adept at shuttling protein to said sites, the minimal at best T3 deficit protein loss is all but negated.

Such an activity (T3 lowering) can reduce synthesis, but not greatly and certainly not impactfully while on cycle. Though it is wise to add T3 during DNP consumption, it is primarily to maintain optimal thyroidal functioning not to augment protein synthesis.

M.

Could I just add, if you are supplementing your T3 when on DNP.... You actually need to take T3, and not T4 which you could take at any other time in life to increase T3.

It's actually the mechanism which converts T4 into T3 which DNP shuts down over time.

[peteroy01]

how long does it take for ur body to start making T3 after DNP and while taking synthetic T3?

[briansauras]

how long does it take for ur body to start making T3 after DNP and while taking synthetic T3?

Your thyroid should recover 4-7 days after last DNP dose. With syn t3 it depends on dose/duraction. Anywhere from 1wk-2months from what Iv heard.

There is a good article about clomid aiding in thyroid recovery written by Anthony Roberts.

Basically suggest 100mg a day for 4wks.

[Jay-Ace]

Your thyroid should recover 4-7 days after last DNP dose. With syn t3 it depends on dose/duraction. Anywhere from 1wk-2months from what Iv heard.

There is a good article about clomid aiding in thyroid recovery written by Anthony Roberts.

Basically suggest 100mg a day for 4wks.

DNP does not affect your Thyroid!!??!!??!!??

T4 to T3 conversion is primarily undertaken in the liver with 5'-deiodinase. DNP affects liver enzymes, with 5'-deiodinase being one of those affected. T4 serum levels are seemingly unaffected however.

[magic32]

Decreases T3 production.

M.

[briansauras]

DNP does not affect your Thyroid!!??!!??!!??

T4 to T3 conversion is primarily undertaken in the liver with 5'-deiodinase. DNP affects liver enzymes, with 5'-deiodinase being one of those affected. T4 serum levels are seemingly unaffected however.

are you joking me man? go read the profile on it as well as any thread that talks about the timeline of DNP.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199885

Speaking about getting weaker… DNP will lower Thyroid (T3) and Thyroid Stimulating Hormone levels (7). Lower thyroid levels are positively correlated with lethargy (tiredness) and muscle weakness

Also, you want to take some T3 with your DNP, because of DNP’s aforementioned ability to lower conversion of T4 into T3….50-100mcgs/day should suffice

Thankfully, DNP is not particularly hard on your heart, blood pressure, or liver

[Jay-Ace]

are you joking me man? go read the profile on it as well as any thread that talks about the timeline of DNP.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199885

Speaking about getting weaker… DNP will lower Thyroid (T3) and Thyroid Stimulating Hormone levels (7). Lower thyroid levels are positively correlated with lethargy (tiredness) and muscle weakness

Also, you want to take some T3 with your DNP, because of DNP’s aforementioned ability to lower conversion of T4 into T3….50-100mcgs/day should suffice

Thankfully, DNP is not particularly hard on your heart, blood pressure, or liver

You've just quoted what pretty much what I wrote!!

I'm starting to think you're joking me!!!

[briansauras]

You've just quoted what pretty much what I wrote!!

I'm starting to think you're joking me!!!

you said it doesnt effect thyroid, when it says it does.

[Jay-Ace]

you said it doesnt effect thyroid, when it says it does.

No mate, it's coz you're reading it simplified.

The thyroid is a hormone secreting gland, it secretes thyroxine (T4).


The T4 is converted into T3 primarily in the liver, DNP affects this conversion in the liver.

Ergo, DNP does doesn't affect the Thyroid, it affects the liver.

[fred9]

COMPLETELY FALSE!
DNP can do a lot of things, including poison and kill you, but it doesn't hinder aas gains at any dose.

M.

i really do think it hinders gain in the long run 4+weeks...i experienced this myself and maybe it also supports it in theory..posted 2 days ago a topic bout it...but knowbody liked it:S

[fred9]

In cells treated with poisons that inhibit the aerobic production
of ATP (e.g., 2,4-dinitrophenol in aerobic cells), the
ion concentrations inside the cell gradually approach those
of the exterior environment as ions move through channels
in the plasma membrane down their electrochemical gradients.
Eventually treated cells die: partly because protein synthesis
requires a high concentration of K ions and partly
because in the absence of a Na gradient across the cell
membrane, a cell cannot import certain nutrients such as
amino acids. Studies on the effects of such poisons provided
early evidence for the existence of ion pumps.

[magic32]

i really do think it hinders gain in the long run 4+weeks...i experienced this myself and maybe it also supports it in theory..posted 2 days ago a topic bout it...but knowbody liked it:S

I was speaking generally, under the premise that it should be obvious POISONS (especially continous direct consumption of accumulating ones), hamper every part of the human body.

Oh, and in the long run cause death!

But thanks for pointing that out, maybe it wasn't clear.

M.