Saw Palmetto has average-to-low results when you use it normally, so on a cycle it cannot really help you much at all, there are even studies that say it doesnt work at all!! So fina/duta are much better options at least you know they work!

You should run nolvadex/arimidex/femera or whatever anit-e/anti-arom combination always why do you want to risk getting gyno just so you can gain an extra pound or two of water or fat?? And why would you want to risk losing your hair over and extra pound or two of water or fat?? I stay away from people in the gym who tell you to try to get every pound even at the risk of harming yourself, why not gain slightly less (or any less at all) while staying safe??

There is no documented or proven facts that show exactly how much weight or muscle you will NOT gain if you run these! Its just based on members experiences and everybody gains differently!

I've seen people on this forum (check members experiences in past years) do extreme cycles and gain 20 pounds and get gyno and bacne and libido-decrease and then lose alot of that 20 pounds very quickly after PCT, so imagine the mental-state you will be in when you cant get it up and you have breasts? Worth the extra pound??

I have also seen people gain 20 pounds just changing their diet and being patient.

And the occaisonal person who gains 20 pounds on creatine! And keeps more of it than someone who did a cyle!!

I personally gained 20 pounds quickly using Vitargo-CGL creatine, and it took some time of not training due to an injury and really slacking off for me to lose all of it. How does this experince make someone feel if they did a real cycle and lost their results faster than me?


SAFE SAFE SAFE SAFETY is worth more than any muscle.