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Thats a valid point, which I should of included. For what its worth, it did help me maintain alot of strength while cutting. That, and some cool veins in the shoulders were about for me.Originally Posted by CaptainDominate
I'm also not saying that I wouldn't include it again...It's just...well...umm...it just doesn't get my panties wet!
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thats ok bro its not a problem, and this is why bros bulk and then cut. Build as much as you can than you can easily get rid of the excess body fat in a cutter.
Example: on a bulking cycle you gain 20-25 pounds, then (considering you have done pct and follow the time on=time off method) you run a cutter and you get rid of the excess body fat you have gained from the bulker, this leads the bro with approximately an overall gain of 10-15 lbs of total muscle mass.
get it now?
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I'm sure you would... Let me ask you a question, how do YOU know anything about MY mind set about AAS usage? You said YOU could put on 5 lbs of LEAN MASS NATURALLY in 40 days with proper diet, training and rest so lets look into that CLAIM for a second brother. 365 days in a year 365 divided by 40 = 9.125. 9.125 x 5 = 45.6. So based on what your saying you could add 45.6 lbs of LEAN MASS NATURALLY to your physique in A YEAR??!!? If this is possible then your knowledge on AAS usage is USELESS and ROIDS are pointless. Maybe someone just starting to lift weights and starting to eat right may be able to put on 5 lbs of lean mass naturally in 40 days. But as their body adapts to all the new things going on, putting on LEAN MASS will become harder, specially for the more advanced of us. In other words Jay Cutler would have a hell of a hard time adding 5 lbs of LEAN MASS NATURALLY vs someone who just started. Hence the reason we use AAS. As far as my mind set about AAS usage I just explained it and if your a still unsure PM me or re-read this post.
*The funny thing is I respect you, I know your very knowledgeable about AAS and BBing, I've read a lot of your post and as your pic shows you have a good physique. Hopefully you can continue to give me your 2 cents worth whenever I have a question about something I may unsure about.*
(*I mean this*)
RETIRED VET
Yes i split it up 30mg am and 30mg pm...duta worked great but it doesnt prevent any hairloss that could occur using anavar...i used .5mg ED of duta....Captain D,
I very much enjoyed your cycle log on var! did you split your 60mg doses into AM and PM? also you stated you used DUT! how much did you use and did you experience any sides? also, do you use a 5ar inhibitor daily or just with a cycle? I picked up some finasteride to run with my cycle but I am debating about using it!!
Yea i gotcha, everyone has their favorites....Thats a valid point, which I should of included. For what its worth, it did help me maintain alot of strength while cutting. That, and some cool veins in the shoulders were about for me.
I'm also not saying that I wouldn't include it again...It's just...well...umm...it just doesn't get my panties wet!
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bro your making no sense in that post
i said that the bro could reach his goal, as he stated was getting between 5-10 pounds of lean mass.
i said this is attainable with a proper diet and training regime considering his position and there would be no need for any aas usage as this can be done naturally.
where does the 50 pounds in one year come by, i never stated this?
you have to use some common sense bro, how can you keep gaining 5-10 pounds every 40 days? this wasnt my point, my point was that in 40 days he could gain a noticable amount of muscle mass (5-10pounds) naturally, i never stated he could do this year long as this would be near impossible, even on aas this would be near impossible.
and what is your obsession with jay cutler, you have no say in whether he can or cant add any kind of muslce mass naturally or with aas usage. You have no information or insight on what he does concerning his diet, training, aas usage, lifestyle, etc...
and to me it sounds like your putting yourself in the more "advanced" category of bros alongside jay cutler which to me is just laughable
anyways, re read my post earlier bro, i said that the bro can achieve his goals (5-10lbs) in the 40 day time frame he has naturally.
i never said anything about keeping gains coming at a stable rate for a whole year.
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glad you deciced to go with the var for your first cycle. I think it will give you what you need to achieve your short-term goals.
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**Your post**"again 40 days is enough time to gain a noticable amount of lean mass say 5 lbs naturally IMO, with the right diet and training, just requires some dedication."
**My post**"Ghost brother, educate me on gaining 5 lbs LEAN MASS in a month and 10 days. NATURALLY."
**MY post**"IMO most of us here are way past our "genetic potential" anyway which is the main reason we take juice to begin with. Maybe a 40 day 5 lb (NATURAL) lean mass gain is possible for someone who just started working out and just started eatting right."
**Your post**"have to agree, i think some bros juice (as CD mentioned) to make up for their lack of dedication, diet, training, etc... and think that by just injecting or popping pills they will magically grow, and when they dont they complain about bunk gear, underdosed gear, and or even bump dosages and durations of cycles to unsafe levels.
if people took the time and sat down and thought it, they will realize that most of their goals can be attained naturally"
**My post**"Ghost brother, educate me on gaining 5 lbs LEAN MASS in a month and 10 days. NATURALLY."
**your post** "i would bro, but it wouldnt make a difference. I could sit here and educate you for hours on end, and at the end you will have the same mind set about aas usage and such as you do now."
Read it up.
So you said one can gain 5lbs of lean mass in 40 days. I could only agree if the person has never touched a weight in their life. So I ask you to educate me since I don't think anyone who is NOT a beginner could do this. You take your mind set shot at me..
Your right, u never did say that one can gain 50 lbs in a year, I also never compared myself to Jay Cutler.
"and what is your obsession with jay cutler, you have no say in whether he can or cant add any kind of muslce mass naturally or with aas usage. You have no information or insight on what he does concerning his diet, training, aas usage, lifestyle"
No obsession with Jay, and your right about that... I have no say in what he can or can't do naturally or with AAS. But then again you were telling brother Billytk03z that he doesn't need aas (not to say I think he does or doesn't need) and that he can add his 5-10lbs in 40 days.
My entire point which you turned around and took a shot at me for was not just anyone could go out and gain 5-10 lbs in 40 days.
I'm not trying to get at you brother. Again re-read my post, I even shouted you out at the end with the whole I respect you thing and your very knowledgeable. But you made it sound as if anyone could just go out and gain 5-10lbs in 40 days, then took a shot at me when I asked you educate me cuz I knew thats not as e-z as you made it sound. Anyway I'll let you have the last word and again I hope I could still reach to you for help. peace
Last edited by Getbig06; 12-19-2006 at 07:35 PM.
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first and foremost i never said that billytk03 shouldnt use aas. If you took the time and read i stated that he could gain and reach his goals naturally with a spot on diet and training regime. And if you go and read his post he states this**Your post**"again 40 days is enough time to gain a noticable amount of lean mass say 5 lbs naturally IMO, with the right diet and training, just requires some dedication."
**My post**"Ghost brother, educate me on gaining 5 lbs LEAN MASS in a month and 10 days. NATURALLY."
**MY post**"IMO most of us here are way past our "genetic potential" anyway which is the main reason we take juice to begin with. Maybe a 40 day 5 lb (NATURAL) lean mass gain is possible for someone who just started working out and just started eatting right."
**Your post**"have to agree, i think some bros juice (as CD mentioned) to make up for their lack of dedication, diet, training, etc... and think that by just injecting or popping pills they will magically grow, and when they dont they complain about bunk gear, underdosed gear, and or even bump dosages and durations of cycles to unsafe levels.
if people took the time and sat down and thought it, they will realize that most of their goals can be attained naturally"
**My post**"Ghost brother, educate me on gaining 5 lbs LEAN MASS in a month and 10 days. NATURALLY."
**your post** "i would bro, but it wouldnt make a difference. I could sit here and educate you for hours on end, and at the end you will have the same mind set about aas usage and such as you do now."
Read it up.
So you said one can gain 5lbs of lean mass in 40 days. I could only agree if the person has never touched a weight in their life. So I ask you to educate me since I don't think anyone who is NOT a beginner could do this. You take your mind set shot at me..
Your right, u never did say that one can gain 50 lbs in a year, I also never compared myself to Jay Cutler.
"and what is your obsession with jay cutler, you have no say in whether he can or cant add any kind of muslce mass naturally or with aas usage. You have no information or insight on what he does concerning his diet, training, aas usage, lifestyle"
No obsession with Jay, and your right about that... I have no say in what he can or can't do naturally or with AAS. But then again you were telling brother Billytk03z that he doesn't need aas (not to say I think he does or doesn't need) and that he can add his 5-10lbs in 40 days.
My entire point which you turned around and took a shot at me for was not just anyone could go out and gain 5-10 lbs in 40 days.
I'm not trying to get at you brother. Again re-read my post, I even shouted you out at the end with the whole I respect you thing and your very knowledgeable. But you made it sound as if anyone could just go out and gain 5-10lbs in 40 days, then took a shot at me when I asked you educate me cuz I knew thats not as e-z as you made it sound. Anyway I'll let you have the last word and again I hope I could still reach to you for help. peace
"In my defense as far as diet and training goes, I have the discipline and determination... I am so disciplined and so determined that I overtrained myself into adrenal fatigue... LOL"
reading this, i see no reason for him to use aas to gain 5lbs, since he states he has the disicpline and determination as far as diet and training goes, so he can make those gains w/o the use of aas easily.
Comment on 1st bolded phrase: Bro, anyone at any experience level can add 5-10lbs naturally, how do you think bros gain when they are off cycle???
anyways bro were really getting nowhere and we could be arguing about this the whole night.
if i came off as a d*ck and if you got the feeling i was taking a shot at you my apologies b/c that wasnt my intentions.
anyway best of luck to you bro
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No harm done... your right we could do this all night... I apologize as well for the whole mis-understanding...b-e-z
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i thought it might go on all night.lol j/k Captain i read your var log that is so impressive how quickly you were filling insane pumps and putting lean muscle on and cutting fat.did you feel like it suppressed your test levels while on?
RETIRED VET
Thanks man! yea once i finished i could tell i was suppressed as libido was down a little, but yea man, the only reason i ran it alone was a test run to see if it was worth it, going into it i felt that var would be sh1t but i was totally surprised, best compound ive run so far and it will be a staple in all my cutting cycles, and im sure in some bulkers too!i thought it might go on all night.lol j/k Captain i read your var log that is so impressive how quickly you were filling insane pumps and putting lean muscle on and cutting fat.did you feel like it suppressed your test levels while on?
CD
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double post
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i've heard a lot of peaple talking about running myogenx with there var and see how that does for helping to keep there test leveled out.Its funny considering you gained so much muscle off of it that it could be such a great cutter also.Im diffenetely interested in it now
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Im wondering If I should use Prop @ 50mg or 100mg eod with the var now so I can keep my libido in check.......
CaptainD, what PCT would you recommend? and do you think its possible that your libido was down from the duta use?
Last edited by Billytk03z; 12-19-2006 at 08:26 PM.
RETIRED VET
Yea man, i ran it bulking--even tho many would never recommend it, hell im proof right there that you Can run var during a bulk phase, i sure did and got great results and gained plenty of lean mass while droppin BFi've heard a lot of peaple talking about running myogenx with there var and see how that does for helping to keep there test leveled out.Its funny considering you gained so much muscle off of it that it could be such a great cutter also.Im diffenetely interested in it now
CD
RETIRED VET
I got my bud on prop and var now, and hes loving it! i personally would run test with var, and for PCT i would run HCG, aromasin and myogenx--this stuff is kick ass!Im wondering If I should use Prop @ 50mg or 100mg eod with the var now so I can keep my libido in check.......
CaptainD, what PCT would you recommend?
CD
RETIRED VET
Na, duta didnt really drop it...plus i was using trib the whole time...but i noticed a slight reduction from the var..not much thoand do you think its possible that your libido was down from the duta use?
CD
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But Swifto, if;
1. you can get the powder, it´s nice.
2. you can get the powder, you can get stanazolol also.
3. cap winny+anavar at 50/80.
not expensive.
But, if you haven´t tried it, you shouldn´t be judging it, I recommend you try it by yourself next prop cycle.
I love winny.. but I usually have to take dbols with them because the winny dryes my joints purty hard.
Anavar is though a much milder.
imo anavar is for the basketball player, tennis, golfer, the fitness dude, fitness lady.
by the way, nothing beats IGF/Primo/anavar cycles for females, without anavar the female fitness competition would never look like they do.
( unless they do tren, deca and CDrops j/k! )
You should try it swifto, betc'a'ss you can get the powder before christmas night.
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I hear great things about var. Almost bought some today, but it was too damned expensive...
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Var is great, but legit var is just too expensive. I'd rather use something cheaper, and recieve similar results.
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oh great! I got my var pretty cheap, Im wondering if its legit or not now?
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Serious question here. . .I know in another thread the topic of hairloss came up. . .but has anyone considered acne as a result of the test?
I would hate to see our bro get acne'ed up when he has a shoot in 40 days.
Being that he doesn't know what his sides will be from the test, it might be a consideration to follow Gho5st's advice and bulk up with some increased diet/protien. I wouldn't go hog wild, but with some good workouts, protien shakes 2 or 3 times a day, some glutamine and other right supps along with a spot on diet, 5 lbs should be very reachable without the risk of sides.
I say this because looking at your avatar Billy, I don't think you have come bear your genetic potential. You should be able to pack on 10-15lbs of lean mass without much effort.
Just a thought. . .
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Var didn't do anything for me the 1st time I did it (35mg/day). I gave it one more chance at 60mg/day and saw minimal results. The second cycle of it cost me a TON. To me, I wouldn't use it unless I was already as big as I wanted to be and I had been cutting for a while. It seems like more of a finished than anything else.
I won't touch it again unless I come across some powder on the cheap. Pill form just isn't worth it (to me).
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It´s nice you researched before using var.
you should have gone 100 mg ED.
btw, if I would slam Dbols because I did 2.5 mg EW and nothing happened, wouldn´t that be weird ?
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Excuse me? I researched it plenty Robbie. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 90% of people who run Var do not run it at 100mg ED. Do you have ANY idea how expensive that would be with pills? Plus, I think I read that you get diminishing returns on anything past 80mg.
Telling someone that doing less than 100mg/day is retarded, is retarded.
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ok, I didn´t mean to offend you, but you return like a 6 year old here.
first of all: Excuse me, for sounding like I was trying to insult you.
Second, I know how expensive it is, I carry it in my shop (!)
Third, in the profile, well: it say's 100 mg. ( I do believe AR used to cycle 100 mg for 8 weeks ( correct me if I'm wrong AR )) and it´s well stated in many diarie's that 100 is the best dosage, over it and you get the same, under it; and the gain's aren´t as much.
and Yes, you wen´t on a limb by saying almost 100 % use under 100 mg, well that is correct, but look at the bright side, how many do you think still sycles Sustanon + deca for 4 weeks and says that is the right cycle ? ( I think I've convinced about 9 guys about how bad that cycle is just this year.)
Just go on a limb, JFYI: Anavar and Primo are the most expensive AAS there is ( in case you didn´t realize it, it even say´s it in the profile on this website )
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u guys are fogetting (and very irresponsibly I might add) that a big reason not to use var at the dosages necessary (60+mg) is that its effect on ldl can be dramatic, borderline dangerous. I used it a 80mg ed for 6 weeks and my cholesterol was 237, up from 196. my ratio was also bad, don't remember but it was bad. doctor called me out on using juice
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I was on a cycle of Var/Test/Primo from a very good UG, and I ran their 'var at 100mgs/day. It was pretty insane, results wise....
But I've run it at lower doses, most recently at 25mgs/day from Oasis, and still got results.
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I think that not enough of the experienced guys on here talk about the sides of cycles enough. I know that none of us like to think or talk about it but its a reality and if the info is out there then it can help. just something to consider
RETIRED VET
I agree with this, whenever someone posts i usually tell them to watch for their cholesterol but most people just dont listen or dont care, luckily i was able to use it, get bloodwork done, and still have decent lipid values...u guys are fogetting (and very irresponsibly I might add) that a big reason not to use var at the dosages necessary (60+mg) is that its effect on ldl can be dramatic, borderline dangerous. I used it a 80mg ed for 6 weeks and my cholesterol was 237, up from 196. my ratio was also bad, don't remember but it was bad. doctor called me out on using juice
CD
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My cholesterol was through the roof as well while on it both times. It went back to normal pretty fast though, so I wasn't too concerned. My good cholesterol was down to a freakin 4! My doctor assumed it was an error in the test, but I knew why.
As for dosages of var, I found the 60mg/day to provide results (check out my pictures posted after i did the cycle). I was not content with the results/cost ratio, however. I was left with the feeling that the money would have been much better spent on a good test/deca cycle (well, like 3 cycles for that cost).
RETIRED VET
OH MY!My good cholesterol was down to a freakin 4! My doctor assumed it was an error in the test, but I knew why
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Robbie, I just checked out your "anavar myths" thread and in it you make no mention that anything under 100mg/day is bad. In fact, the post you re-posted deals with dosages from 40-60mg/day (going from memory, not sure the exact number but it was around there).
As for cholesterol, I never worry too much about it. The reading is basically a snapshot of what is in your blood at that exact moment. I would only be worried if you had continually bad levels when not on anything, as most of our cycles hover around only 10 weeks then we go back to normal for a while.
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I actually cap mine, winny/dbol (20/5), var/winny. (10/10)
but then, I play tennis, so I don´t use the good stuff anymore.
I like anavar for the strenght that comes from it, without the excess meat, I'll probably go for halo/Prop/Exemest next strenght cycle.
And that´s because of my sport. minimum weight, maximum strenght :lol
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I just got my var.... I picked up 125- 25mg tabs from a UGL..... enough to run a 6 week cycle at 75mg.... or a 5 week cycle at 90mg (which one should I run?) Also, the only concern I have is that I got the Var pretty damn cheap.. now im wondering how strong or potent this will be....
In the meantime now I went ahead and ordered 500 10mg Turanabol tabs from a very respected UGL at an incredible price... so I will keep these on stand by in case the var doesn't work out..
could I run tbol and var together? something like 40mg Tbol and 40mg var?
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yes you can.. i ran tbol/var with good results.. i also ran a masteron/var cycle with great results..
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Bro, what dose did you run var/tbol at?
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