oral cycle

[acessorized]

im curious about an oral only cycle if possible ive already got some d bol but looking to take another oral with it as not wanting to do an injectable steroid ...any info would be appreciated.what sorts of oral steroids can u take on its own from what i have read u cant seem to take roids on its own .

[evil pepsi]

is there a reason why you dont want to inject? is it fear of the shots?
nothing worth having in life comes easy. if you do an oral cycle, you will lose most, if not all, when you come off...

[acessorized]

nah fear of customs ...thats no excuse cause anything can be seized.. evil is there any oral u can take on its own thats not dangerous..

[evil pepsi]

there is nothing that is 100% safe. set your fears of customs aside and take the shots. you will be glad you did, and your liver will thank you for it...

[beuleux]

Customs is no biggie unless youre in Australia... read all the profiles in the steroid profile section and you will see the pros and cons of orals and injectables for yourself.

[G-1000]

If your not ready to shoot your not ready to cycle.

The only thing i would run with out shooting is var.

[Manpretty]

If your not ready to shoot your not ready to cycle.

The only thing i would run with out shooting is var.

yo guys how about this..... stats and goal first then make a decision on whether or not he should go with an orals only.

this board is amazing for "inject with every cycle"
someone explain to me scientifically why you shouldnt take an oral only cycle....bet you cant.....or i will find holes in your theory.....
i want to beable to say to myself "wow you are totally right, never thought of it that way, i have no doubt you are right" after your responce

[G-1000]

yo guys how about this..... stats and goal first then make a decision on whether or not he should go with an orals only.

this board is amazing for "inject with every cycle"
someone explain to me scientifically why you shouldnt take an oral only cycle....bet you cant.....or i will find holes in your theory.....
i want to beable to say to myself "wow you are totally right, never thought of it that way, i have no doubt you are right" after your responce

What does stats have to do with shooting?????

[G-1000]

yo guys how about this..... stats and goal first then make a decision on whether or not he should go with an orals only.

this board is amazing for "inject with every cycle"
someone explain to me scientifically why you shouldnt take an oral only cycle....bet you cant.....or i will find holes in your theory.....
i want to beable to say to myself "wow you are totally right, never thought of it that way, i have no doubt you are right" after your responce

OK teach me. What is a few good oral only cycle????

[GHO5T]

If your not ready to shoot your not ready to cycle.

The only thing i would run with out shooting is var.

Couldnt agree with you more bro

[Manpretty]

OK teach me. What is a few good oral only cycle????

look man im asking you.....a guy that is a mod and with 10000 post SHOULD be able to back up what he is saying.....i asked you to back up what you said about injecting with evidence.

why i asked about stats AND goals because i think its pretty clear that injecting does not fit everyones goals.....but instead of having a back and forth convo with you about why injecting is necessary i rather you back up you comments with evidence.......im new(ish) like a couple months to the game....through my research(all be it, not nearly as much as youve done) ive come across alot of people SAYING this is true with little to no evidence......
ps dont take this as an attack on you just i think your line of reasoning might have gone a stray

[Manpretty]

ps acessorized post your stats and goals

[G-1000]

look man im asking you.....a guy that is a mod and with 10000 post SHOULD be able to back up what he is saying.....i asked you to back up what you said about injecting with evidence.

why i asked about stats AND goals because i think its pretty clear that injecting does not fit everyones goals.....but instead of having a back and forth convo with you about why injecting is necessary i rather you back up you comments with evidence.......im new(ish) like a couple months to the game....through my research(all be it, not nearly as much as youve done) ive come across alot of people SAYING this is true with little to no evidence......
ps dont take this as an attack on you just i think your line of reasoning might have gone a stray

Most orals are hard on the liver. I tend to not like putting strain on the live when i dont have to. Most orals should only be run for 4-6 weeks. You can run test deca eg and others for a longer time frame. With lesser or the same amout of sides.

Orals work best and a cycle jumpstart or at the end to harden the muscle. They also have a short half life so you can run them right up to pct.

One of my problems with orals are. That people tend to abuse them as well.

If some one is looking into a var or t-bol cycle to put on 5 10 pounds it's not worth it. In most cases you can do that with just diet and training.

[GHO5T]

look man im asking you.....a guy that is a mod and with 10000 post SHOULD be able to back up what he is saying.....i asked you to back up what you said about injecting with evidence.

why i asked about stats AND goals because i think its pretty clear that injecting does not fit everyones goals.....but instead of having a back and forth convo with you about why injecting is necessary i rather you back up you comments with evidence.......im new(ish) like a couple months to the game....through my research(all be it, not nearly as much as youve done) ive come across alot of people SAYING this is true with little to no evidence......
ps dont take this as an attack on you just i think your line of reasoning might have gone a stray

Hey bro, there are many aspects that one has to look at as to why many bros dont advise the use of an only oral cycle, and they advise incorporating some sort of injectable in the cycle.

There are a couple aspects that need to be looked at, two of those have been mentioned here and in many other threads. Which are damage to your liver and also you wont keep most or all the gains after completion of an oral only cycle.

Another aspect(s) that many forget is that you will actually gain more in the same time frame using injectables over orals. When i say gains, im talking about quality muscle, not just weight.

Another aspect is that with injectables you can administer them for a longer duration, compared to only orals. Oral AAS that are potent mass builders are not meant to be used more than 6 weeks max. While injectables such as Test, Deca, Eq, Primo, can be administered for longer periods of time, with far less sides. For example running Test E for twelve weeks would be fine, but running Dbol or Drol for 12 weeks, well you see where im going.

Something else to consider is that there are many different types of combos you can use to further stimulate muscles and receptors when using injectables. Combos like Test+Deca, Test+Deca+Eq, Test+Eq, Test+Tren, well the list keeps going and going. Then when you look at orals there isnt that many if at all any kind of combos you can run.

I fully agree that oral AAS has a part in a cycle, and one should consider incorporating one into a cycle, but solely to kickstart or at the back end of a cycle to harden up.

[godric]

take winstrol with your d bols
1. dbol 20mg, winstrol 25mg ed
2. dbol 30mg, winstrol 25mg ed
3. dbol 35mg, winstrol 25mg ed
4. dbol 30mg, winstrol 40mg ed
5. dbol 25mg, winstrol 50mg ed
6. dbol 20mg, winstrol 25mg ed
but it will be much more effective with test 250-400mg / wk

[Manpretty]

you wont keep most or all the gains after completion of an oral only cycle.

IS THIS TRUE? WHAT STUDIES HAVE YOU READ THAT SAY THIS??? IF IT IS TRUE WHY???

Another aspect(s) that many forget is that you will actually gain more in the same time frame using injectables over orals. When i say gains, im talking about quality muscle, not just weight.

IS THIS TRUE? WHAT STUDIES HAVE YOU READ THAT SAY THIS??? IF IT IS TRUE WHY???

Oral AAS that are potent mass builders are not meant to be used more than 6 weeks max.

AGREED, HOWEVER 6 WEEKS IS NOT THAT LONG 8-10 IMO WOULD BE A MAX

Then when you look at orals there isnt that many if at all any kind of combos you can run.

NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS GREAT POINT!

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[G-1000]

take winstrol with your d bols
1. dbol 20mg, winstrol 25mg ed
2. dbol 30mg, winstrol 25mg ed
3. dbol 35mg, winstrol 25mg ed
4. dbol 30mg, winstrol 40mg ed
5. dbol 25mg, winstrol 50mg ed
6. dbol 20mg, winstrol 25mg ed
but it will be much more effective with test 250-400mg / wk

you would get better gains from 6 weeks of t-bol.

Or better yet run test prop for the same 6 weeks and get even better gains.

run test prop with winny and you will yeld even better lean gains.

[Manpretty]

Most orals are hard on the liver. I tend to not like putting strain on the live when i dont have to. Most orals should only be run for 4-6 weeks. You can run test deca eg and others for a longer time frame. With lesser or the same amout of sides.

AGREED

Orals work best and a cycle jumpstart or at the end to harden the muscle. They also have a short half life so you can run them right up to pct.

AGREED

One of my problems with orals are. That people tend to abuse them as well.

VERY TRUE, IT IS MUCH EASIER TO POP A PILL THAN STICK A NEEDLE IN YOUR LEG. HOWEVER YOU CANNOT SAY THAT ONCE SOMEONE INJECTS THEY WILL NOT ABUSE THE DRUGS....IN FACT, AS TIME GOES ON, IT IMO WOULD BE MORE LIKELY FOR SOMEONE TO ABUSE TO GET BETTER GAINS

If some one is looking into a var or t-bol cycle to put on 5 10 pounds it's not worth it. In most cases you can do that with just diet and training.

WHAT IF THERE GOALS ARE TO ADD STRENGTH?? CAN YOU DO THIS THROUGH DIET?

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[G-1000]

One of my problems with orals are. That people tend to abuse them as well.

VERY TRUE, IT IS MUCH EASIER TO POP A PILL THAN STICK A NEEDLE IN YOUR LEG. HOWEVER YOU CANNOT SAY THAT ONCE SOMEONE INJECTS THEY WILL NOT ABUSE THE DRUGS....IN FACT, AS TIME GOES ON, IT IMO WOULD BE MORE LIKELY FOR SOMEONE TO ABUSE TO GET BETTER GAINS

I have abuse them. Trust me when you start to stick 4 times a day that shit gets old real quick.

If some one is looking into a var or t-bol cycle to put on 5 10 pounds it's not worth it. In most cases you can do that with just diet and training.

WHAT IF THERE GOALS ARE TO ADD STRENGTH?? CAN YOU DO THIS THROUGH DIET? Yes along with training you can.

I have done oral only cycle. I did d-bol for 6 weeks. I gained 12 pounds with out that great of a diet. When i came off I was left with 3 pounds and liver enzymes throw the roof.

Winny only cycle i was hard i was strong i looked great. Right up to the point my joints were hurting me. Came off 2 weeks later i was right back were i started. Oh but i had a shoulder cuff problem and my joins hurt for 6 weeks later.

Var only cycle 10 weeks as a cutter. This was a good cycle. I cut from 12 to 7% bf. I looked great and felt great. When i came off i kept gain for a good 8 10 weeks. If i had added prop i would have gained more and kept more.

test prop only cycle i put on 13 pounds and kept 8. Had little to no sides other then acne when i came off. This gave me the best pump out of all the cycle listed. i looked great and felt great.

[Manpretty]

my problem with advocating injects in every cycle is that you are not taking in to account the persons goal and stats.....there may be a guy that is 30%bf and started working out 3days ago that is willing to inject but that does not mean by any stretch of the imagination he is ready for AAS.....and there might be a guy that is at his genetic potenial and is not willing or ready to inject, does this mean he is not ready to cycle???

on top of all this why are prohormones accepted better than oral AAS....you guys see no problem with a cycle of 4ad, but you do with a dbol cycle????? COME ON

[Manpretty]

I have done oral only cycle. I did d-bol for 6 weeks. I gained 12 pounds with out that great of a diet. When i came off I was left with 3 pounds and liver enzymes throw the roof.

Winny only cycle i was hard i was strong i looked great. Right up to the point my joints were hurting me. Came off 2 weeks later i was right back were i started. Oh but i had a shoulder cuff problem and my joins hurt for 6 weeks later.

Var only cycle 10 weeks as a cutter. This was a good cycle. I cut from 12 to 7% bf. I looked great and felt great. When i came off i kept gain for a good 8 10 weeks. If i had added prop i would have gained more and kept more.

test prop only cycle i put on 13 pounds and kept 8. Had little to no sides other then acne when i came off. This gave me the best pump out of all the cycle listed. i looked great and felt great.

was pct in all the failed cycles run properly?
was diet modified for your high mass?

[G-1000]

Well i do look at people’s goals. And if they just started to work out and are at 30%. I would tell them there not ready to cycle.

I don’t believe in prohormones at all.

When people are asked for there stats they should provide all the info we need. This is height, weight, age, bf, years of training, diet, and work out regiment along with their goals.

Keep in mind 50% of people lie to us on this info. They always fluff the truth. That is why I do conservative cycle for other. You will rarely see me advise a cycle I would do to someone.

[G-1000]

was pct in all the failed cycles run properly?
was diet modified for your high mass?

yes and yes.

but can i say diet was 100% on with each. No

[beuleux]

Its just a well known and widely accepted fact that injectables are more effective and less harmfull that orals, there have been countless studies and reports kicking around for years its not a new idea... they are just trying to steer the guy in the right direction thats all. Just as its widely accepted the universe is infinite... If someone asked me for directions to the end of the universe Id have to tell them Sorry the universe is infinite and there is no end.

[acessorized]

Hey guys thanks for all the feed back.im 24 been training for two years good diet try to eat a meal of equal protein carbs and vegies..6ft 100kg[220lbs] i think......bf not sure.im looking for hardening of the muscles and little gain. that training diet and protein supp hasnt given me. Guys are you telling me in 2006/7 theres not one oral steroid u can take on its own..and every time u have anything does it have to be followed by a pct....there must be a oral steroid u can take on its own for little gains .....

[G-1000]

Hey guys thanks for all the feed back.im 24 been training for two years good diet try to eat a meal of equal protein carbs and vegies..6ft 100kg[220lbs] i think......bf not sure.im looking for hardening of the muscles and little gain. that training diet and protein supp hasnt given me. Guys are you telling me in 2006/7 theres not one oral steroid u can take on its own..and every time u have anything does it have to be followed by a pct....there must be a oral steroid u can take on its own for little gains .....

reread the thread.

[pwerfll1]

ask yor liver why

[G-1000]

var can be run by it's self.

[Manpretty]

Its just a well known and widely accepted fact that injectables are more effective and less harmfull that orals, there have been countless studies and reports kicking around for years its not a new idea... they are just trying to steer the guy in the right direction thats all. Just as its widely accepted the universe is infinite... If someone asked me for directions to the end of the universe Id have to tell them Sorry the universe is infinite and there is no end.

where might i find one of these studies so i can read it for myself?

[Manpretty]

what is it about oral compounds that make gains hard to retain???

if this is true why do people bother kick starting with orals? following your reasoning the only gains youll see at the end of the cycle will be soley from the injects because you would lose the gains you made from the oral. or does your body say "no these orals gains are ok to keep because he ran injects with them, if he hadent run injects tho these gains would be outta here!!"

[Mista Massive]

i just read this thread and can't believe this guy manpretty.

you are asking for proof? if you had TRUELY researched then i garuntee you would have come across this situation numerous times as it is mentioned on numerous internet sites and databases.

can we please not forget that 99% of all steroids suppress or even shut down your natural testosterone levels. ORALS INCLUDED. regardless of the damage that orals play on your liver, i personally wouldn't do any cycle without an injectable (one definatley being test) or two. i like keeping my gains. and i don't know about you but i don't want to have libido issues during a cycle.

[Mista Massive]

what is it about oral compounds that make gains hard to retain???

if this is true why do people bother kick starting with orals? following your reasoning the only gains youll see at the end of the cycle will be soley from the injects because you would lose the gains you made from the oral. or does your body say "no these orals gains are ok to keep because he ran injects with them, if he hadent run injects tho these gains would be outta here!!"

you obviously don't understand the basics of cycling with anabolic steroids and you have actually embarassed yourself presenting this argument. orals are used to kick start so gains can be seen more quickly when using a long ester such as test E or C. that does not mean that those gains from the orals will be kept, it's just to avoid 4-6 weeks of frustation of waitingf for those particular long esters to build up in the body.

once again, if you had researched, you would find that many experienced AS users no longer use orals to kick start as an injectable kick starter, such as Test Prop provides better KEEPABLE gains

[Manpretty]

once again, if you had researched, you would find that many experienced AS users no longer use orals to kick start as an injectable kick starter, such as Test Prop provides better KEEPABLE gains

why?

[Mista Massive]

stop trying to get all your info from us.

what would be the point of me looking up studies and expirements from universities or whatever and them copying and pasting them here JUST FOR YOU. do it yourself. I KNOW WHY orals are nowhere near as good by themselves. if you wanna know, YOU DO THE RESEARCH.

[Liftnainez]

is there a reason why you dont want to inject? is it fear of the shots?
nothing worth having in life comes easy. if you do an oral cycle, you will lose most, if not all, when you come off...

oh really? please back this bullsh*t uP?

[Mista Massive]

i am currently using dbol with the expectations of retaining at least a third of the gains, however, i would never run it by itself

[Liftnainez]

yo guys how about this..... stats and goal first then make a decision on whether or not he should go with an orals only.

this board is amazing for "inject with every cycle"
someone explain to me scientifically why you shouldnt take an oral only cycle....bet you cant.....or i will find holes in your theory.....
i want to beable to say to myself "wow you are totally right, never thought of it that way, i have no doubt you are right" after your responce

bc this board is filled with parrots.. ppl who read something once and then post is on others threads.. I have ran tbol/var, var, oral masteron with great success.. for ppl who say you cant run a good cycle with only orals dont have a clue about what their saying.. it may not be the most "optimal" but it CAN work... I do think that haveing an injectable like test stacked w var would yield more gains, but var by itself CAN worked.. just my opinion

[Liftnainez]

stop trying to get all your info from us.

what would be the point of me looking up studies and expirements from universities or whatever and them copying and pasting them here JUST FOR YOU. do it yourself. I KNOW WHY orals are nowhere near as good by themselves. if you wanna know, YOU DO THE RESEARCH.

I have had great results from var alone and tbol alone... i also stacked tbol with test and had great results as well.. who r u to say that orals arent good by themsleves

[Mista Massive]

bc this board is filled with parrots.. ppl who read something once and then post is on others threads.. I have ran tbol/var, var, oral masteron with great success.. for ppl who say you cant run a good cycle with only orals dont have a clue about what their saying.. it may not be the most "optimal" but it CAN work... I do think that haveing an injectable like test stacked w var would yield more gains, but var by itself CAN worked.. just my opinion

i believ you and i agree that you will gain with oral only cycles and keep some of it, my argument is the limp dick factor. hence injectable test in every cycle. that is my main reason

[Liftnainez]

i believ you and i agree that you will gain with oral only cycles and keep some of it, my argument is the limp dick factor. hence injectable test in every cycle. that is my main reason

actually my dick was upping and fuking ALOT on var and tbol.. so no i still dont see your reason