rate this cycle plz

[iidea]

My gf lil brother is looking into taking some AAS. He's 22 and just got done with playing college waterpolo so the guy is pretty ripped. he wants to add some mass to his body, and ran across this website that has cycles and stacks for sale. I was telling him that after my cutting diet i am currently on i was planning on running a test e/dbol cycle as it would be my first as well. Heres the cycle that he ran across...
Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST E weekly

pct
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

Now he thinks this is ideal, it looks pretty good tho too. the only thing i would say is the pct. When i do my cycle i was gonna do my pct based on anthony roberts pct that is stickied in the PCT section. didn't know if it was a big difference or not. I told him i'd ask around b/c he has been given some bad advice in the past. He was told before when he was 18 to do a anadrol only cycle and just use nolva for pct. his body got messed up and he lost all his gains. So if you have a suggestions on how this could be tweaked or mabe it is perfect as it is lemme know. He is looking for quality gains also, not so much mass in this cycle. Any advice thanks

[malidfa]

tell him to join the board & do a little research first before he jumps into a cycle.it would be better in the long run.
also he cant always rely on other people to give him advise when he is on cycle he has to learn thinks for himself

the cycle doesn't look bad not sure about the pct wait for another experienced bro to answer that.

[iidea]

idnt think the cycle looked bad. i did my research on it and was considering it too. I wanted to do a 12 week cycle of test, i dunno what the difference would be between a 10 and 12 week tho. I told him to come on the site but i think he is lazy and wants to learn what he can from me.

[BlInDsIdE]

4 a first cycle 10 wks of test e at 500mgs would b more then enough 2 c good gains. also theres no need for nolva in my opinion. just use clomid 4 pct. and dude u better b careful buyin "cycles" from .coms cause 9 out of 10 times its gonna b a scam.

[BlInDsIdE]

and also whats wrong with that cycle IMO besides the nolva (unless ur very gyno prone) is that u would need to run the test e 4 13 wks cause EQ needs 12 wks to really get the best results ....

[mkrulic]

eq is crap. the gains you will get from eq in this run is not worth sticking yourself w/ a needle. much less whatever you paid for 20cc's of eq 200. nothing, you will get nothing from adding this compound. test e 500mg/week for 10 weeks is an ideal first run.

[BlInDsIdE]

eq is not worthless- it increases weight and vascularity in my experience but it is def not needed n a first cycle

[mkrulic]

eq is not worthless- it increases weight and vascularity in my experience but it is def not needed n a first cycle

weight and vascularity? what kind of weight gain? eq is not a mass builder so that gain must be fat. vascularity? not if you gain fat. if your lean you will be vascular anyway.
people who like eq like it for 2 reasons. increased appetite and vascularity. proper diet will take care of the second. who would take a steroid to increase appetite? like I said before, worthless

[BlInDsIdE]

i actually meant to put appetite instead of weight gain so i agree with that- and eq is a lean mass builder actually and those who would take eq to increase appetite r those who might b on a bulker or lean bulker such as tren test eq or test deca eq. and actually i've never been as vascular as i was when i was on eq

[mkrulic]

i actually meant to put appetite instead of weight gain so i agree with that- and eq is a lean mass builder actually and those who would take eq to increase appetite r those who might b on a bulker or lean bulker such as tren test eq or test deca eq. and actually i've never been as vascular as i was when i was on eq

again, there is no reason to take a steroid to increase appetite. if youre lean, you will be vascular.
I cant see recomending a steroid to someone because it increases appetite.

[mkrulic]

I've been on my soap box for awhile bashing eq because I used it once and got absolutely nothing. 600mg/week for 10 - 12 weeks. I used it because when you read the profile of it it seems like a good choice.

[BlInDsIdE]

if your lean it will increase ur vascularity and just cause u don't like it doesn't mean its worthless and it also helped out strengthwise with me also- do u see how an INCREASE in appetite would be beneficial when some one wants to gain more weight???? if u don't like a substance thats fine cause its ur own personal opinion but don't go around here saying its totally worthless cause ur wrong

[perfectbeast2001]

hmm I agree MK, i used EQ as it looked great on paper. In reality it was crap.

[BlInDsIdE]

and that may b i mean i got a friend who got absolutely nothing out of anadrol even with good diet and training but hes not goin around sayin its TOTALLY worthless lol

[perfectbeast2001]

would agree on the appetite thing but then B12 can do that a lot better and a lot cheaper.

[builtwithiron]

Drugs like deca and EQ are really weak compared to test. They are mainly used to solidify your test gains. Or just to help with the test.

[BlInDsIdE]

i didn't mean 2 thread hijack i was just defending eq cause it worked well 4me and i like it. i'll stop posting n this thread now mk i respect ur opinion- i'll catch u on here later sometime and we'll debate it lol peace

[mkrulic]

if your lean it will increase ur vascularity and just cause u don't like it doesn't mean its worthless and it also helped out strengthwise with me also- do u see how an INCREASE in appetite would be beneficial when some one wants to gain more weight???? if u don't like a substance thats fine cause its ur own personal opinion but don't go around here saying its totally worthless cause ur wrong

"if your lean it will increase ur vascularity"
correct. so it is not the eq.
"it also helped out strengthwise with me also"
you never mentioned this. very unusual for eq. challenge, do a search and find one other person that would recomend eq for strength.
"do u see how an INCREASE in appetite would be beneficial when some one wants to gain more weight????"
sure. but do you really need to take a steroid for this?
want to increase appetite? may I suggest seasoning. it is much cheaper and easier than taking a steroid

[mkrulic]

i didn't mean 2 thread hijack i was just defending eq cause it worked well 4me and i like it. i'll stop posting n this thread now mk i respect ur opinion- i'll catch u on here later sometime and we'll debate it lol peace

cool

[mkrulic]

hmm I agree MK, i used EQ as it looked great on paper. In reality it was crap.

yea I got burnt too. I've been waring people ever since

[iidea]

ha ha i love it! all the love in this thread. I appreciate the info and i am going to let him see this thread next time i see him. I was telling him to just run test e and clean up his diet. He smokes pot so occasionally goes on these muchie binges which isnt good. But about him using this for lean mass, could he add some var or maybe clen with it if he cleaned up his diet. I've read somewhere that at the end of a test cycle, like weeks 8 through 12, you can add some var to cut your self up. like 60mg ED. And instead of the nolva, could he use ldex incase of gyno. Recently he has been holdin some water weight b/c he drinking like almost 2 gallons a day and i joke with him callin him jiggly jello and sh*t. so i'm assuming he'd have a problem. Pretty much i just want to get him some info on what possibles he should take, toss my laptop at him and have him do the reseach. i think he just needs something to start him off

[iidea]

and i have heard of increased appetite on EQ and i told him it wasnt good if he was trying to cut with it. i dunno. fire away everyone. thanks yall