My first cycle

[pigrond]

you definately need to get a day or 2 off to recover you cant grow if you over train .your strength will stay stuck at 1 limit and its almost impossible to break that limit until you start to let your body recover ,and dude you are ripped no doubt you're working hard at it just try to get 1 to 2 days off a wk and you will see some gains ,tren is to much for a 1st cycle way to harsh and decca has to be run for 12 wks ,and as everyone here will tell you test is the best for a 1st cycle probably wouldnt hurt to throw in some dbol for 4-5 wks but thats my opinion ,and even tho the steroids will help you recover from your intense workout over training will still eat up your muscle especially when you come off ,clen will stop catabolism of the muscle but you really dont have much fat to burn so theres not much reason for you to use it ,unless your trying to be crack head skinny

[HoytT]

Hey guys, thanks for the replies!

Here's a little more on my training regiment and diet:

Exercises grouped together with a "<" are supersets.

Training:

Monday - Chest and Abs

I go in a pyramid, beginning with a moderate weight for 10-12 reps in my first set and get progressively heavier while lowering the reps, usually finishing with a set of three to five, whatever causes failure.

Flat bench - 4 sets + 1 forced negative above estimated max + 1 drop set (Best is 225 for a double)
Incline bench(smith) - 3 sets + 1 drop set
Decline bench - 4 sets
Flat dumbell press - 3 sets

<Pec Deck - 3 sets
<Cable crossovers - 3 sets

Burnout on pushups

Abs for about an hour, i'll detail the ab workout at the end.

Tuesday - Back and Abs

Deadlift - 4 sets (max is 405)

<Lat pulldowns - 4 sets
<Reverse lat pulldowns - 4 sets

<Gorilla pulls - 4 sets
<T-bar rows - 4 sets

<One hand pull downs - 3 sets
<Dumbell rows - 3 sets

Burnout with bodyweight pull ups and another exercise of choice.

Abs for an hour.

Wednesday - Arms and Abs

<Olympic bar curls - 4 sets (best is 135lbs. for 4)
<Skullcrushers - 4 sets

<Preacher curls - 4 sets
<tricep extension machine - 4 sets

<Hammer curls - 4 sets
<Tricep rope extensions - 4 sets

<spider curls - 4 sets
<Pull-downs - 4 sets

<One hand cable curls - 3 sets
<cable kickbacks - 3 sets

Burnout with a superset of 50 curls on an olympic bar with dips(weighted).

Hour of abs.

Thursday - Shoulders and Abs

Military press - 4 sets
Icarian shoulder press - 4 sets
Rear delt machine - 4 sets

<John Henry's - 3 sets
<Truck drivers - 3 sets
<Front dumbell raises - 3 sets
(It's a triple superset)

Shrugs (dumbell or barbell) - 3 sets

Abs for an hour.

Friday - Back and Chest and abs.

<Flat bench - 3 sets (lighter, higher reps than monday)
<Lat pull downs - 3 sets (lighter, higher reps than tuesday)

<Incline bench - 3 sets
<Gorilla pulls - 3 sets

2 more chest/back supersets, i vary them based on what i feel like doing that day, they could include seated rows, hammer strength chest presses, and so forth.

Abs for an hour.

Saturday - All abs all day!

1200 reps.

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On saturday nights i like to do another arm workout, similar to the one on wednesday.

Sunday - Legs

Squats - 4 sets (max is 325)
Leg press - 10 sets of 10.

<Leg extensions - 3 sets
<leg curls - 3 sets

Burnout on lunges.

My ab workout usually looks about like(all supersetted):

flat bench leg raises (think Rocky) 8 sets of 30
Hanging leg raises 8 sets of 20
Roman chair 4 sets of 30
Weigthed cable crunches 4 sets of 25
100 situps in the morning and 100 more before bed.

Sorry for the horrendously long post, i'll shorten up the part about my diet.

8 meals a day roughly 100 fat(90% unsaturated) 150 carbs, and 450 protein. Mostly chicken/tuna/turkey, vegetables(brocoli, green beans, spinach), protein shakes, low carb high fiber burrito shells, fat free cheese, skim milk, extra lean beef, and PEANUT BUTTER.

[auslifta]

i would strongly disagree with going down the aas path now. try day on day off, one body part per workout eg chest,rest ,back, rest, legs, rest,shoulders,rest......ect. your in a good state to negate the need for cardio. i know you dont want to gain any fat but you can lose this after you gain 15-20. if you unfortunatly decide to do aas keep it simple 500mg/week test E shot twice a week for 10-12 weeks. but you will prob lose most of your gains this way.i really believe after 30 weeks you will be in same condition either path you chose only no risk natty.
good luck

[auslifta]

oh yeah i think you are over traing abs

[HoytT]

Taking days off is kinda outta the question... i've gotta train every day, i can't stand not being in the gym. It seems that if i do intend to go the aas route that most people are recommending a test only cycle, but the more I read about tren, the better it sounds: increased feed efficiency, accelerated aggression, no water retention, better ability to sustain gains than with straight test. Any testimony on just how harsh it is?