Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral

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It was not too many years ago the AMA due to political pressure, removed homosexuality from the list of mental disorders.

Got proof for that?

It seems to me that homosexuality was added to the list of mental disorders mostly because of religious thought, not scientific. The early mental health practitioners formed their opinions about homosexuality after dealing with crazy gays and lesbians. They didn't stop to think that gays and straights might be bonkers in about the same proportion, that there might actually be mentally healthy gay people, until Dr. Evelyn Hooker came along and provided the research that demonstrated that point. Meanwhile, fundamenalists preached hateful anti-gay sermons and ranted against gays, stirred up lots of people who had absolutely no technical information on the topic, and filled their heads with misinformation about the nature of gay people.

Sure, some orthodox medical people still think people who are gay are mentally ill. But most scientists conclude that gay people are as crazy as straights.

Live with it.

My point is abberant behavior, is still abberant behavior, and does indicate a disorder, politically correct or not.

Abberant behaviour, better known as "marching to your own drum," certainly does not indicate a disorder. Perhaps some people get upset when someone does not conform to the popular norms. Some people decide to never get married. That's abberant behaviour. Inter-racial marriage is abberant behaviour, too. Advanced bodybuilders are abberant. So are people who devote their lives to collecting antique radios.
The people who freak out over aberrant behaviour need to get a grip and let other folks live their lives; they need to mind their own damm business . . .

Sheesh . . .

[Logan13]

Got proof for that?

It seems to me that homosexuality was added to the list of mental disorders mostly because of religious thought, not scientific. The early mental health practitioners formed their opinions about homosexuality after dealing with crazy gays and lesbians. They didn't stop to think that gays and straights might be bonkers in about the same proportion, that there might actually be mentally healthy gay people, until Dr. Evelyn Hooker came along and provided the research that demonstrated that point. Meanwhile, fundamenalists preached hateful anti-gay sermons and ranted against gays, stirred up lots of people who had absolutely no technical information on the topic, and filled their heads with misinformation about the nature of gay people.

Sure, some orthodox medical people still think people who are gay are mentally ill. But most scientists conclude that gay people are as crazy as straights.

Live with it.







Abberant behaviour, better known as "marching to your own drum," certainly does not indicate a disorder. Perhaps some people get upset when someone does not conform to the popular norms. Some people decide to never get married. That's abberant behaviour. Inter-racial marriage is abberant behaviour, too. Advanced bodybuilders are abberant. So are people who devote their lives to collecting antique radios.
The people who freak out over aberrant behaviour need to get a grip and let other folks live their lives; they need to mind their own damm business . . .

Sheesh . . .

Somehow, I just do not find the label "marching to their own drums" to be a thorough enough definition for those who screw goats or other animals....... Let's not sugar coat everything, some actions are simply "fuked up".

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Somehow, I just do not find the label "marching to their own drums" to be a thorough enough definition for those who screw goats or other animals....... Let's not sugar coat everything, some actions are simply "fuked up".

Nevertheless, screwing goats, leading celibate lives (I'm thinking of catholic clergy here), bodybuilding, beekeeping, riding motorcycles, and programming in C++ are all abberant behaviours, in that few people actually do such things. Same is true of homosexuality.

My point is that just because a behavior is abberant, that does not mean that it is unhealthy.

The average American is just that -- average. Pretty dull, uninteresting, insipid, boring, conventional, "normal." Not the sort of thing to aspire to, IMHO. But if that's your cup of tea, you're certainly welcome to it.

[Logan13]

Nevertheless, screwing goats, leading celibate lives (I'm thinking of catholic clergy here), bodybuilding, beekeeping, riding motorcycles, and programming in C++ are all abberant behaviours, in that few people actually do such things. Same is true of homosexuality.

My point is that just because a behavior is abberant, that does not mean that it is unhealthy.

The average American is just that -- average. Pretty dull, uninteresting, insipid, boring, conventional, "normal." Not the sort of thing to aspire to, IMHO. But if that's your cup of tea, you're certainly welcome to it.

Aberrant behavior is behavior which is not within the normal limits.
I assure you that motorcycle riding and bodybuilding is done by a much, much larger percentage than those who practice beastiality and homosexuality. I would say that homosexuality is becoming viewed as less abberant than it once was, but beastiality...............Maybe beastiality is not abberant in your world, but in the minds of the other 99% of us, it goes without saying.
aberrant - one whose behavior departs substantially from the norm of a group, unusual person, anomaly - a person who is unusual
Adj. 1. aberrant - markedly different from an accepted norm; "aberrent behavior"; "deviant ideas", not normal; not typical or usual or regular or conforming to a norm.

[Tock]

Aberrant behavior is behavior which is not within the normal limits.

I'm sure you will recall the many references made to zoologists who have documented how many species exhibit a small % of homosexual behaviour. From that, it is reasonable to assume that if it happens in animals from penguins to primates, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect it in humans. A normal representation of homosexual behaviour in other species is about 3% to 5%. It's about that in humans. Aberrant behaviour? Nope. Alarming? Sure, to people wedded to antiquated notions about sexuality.

I assure you that motorcycle riding and bodybuilding is done by a much, much larger percentage than those who practice beastiality and homosexuality.

Worldwide? I think not.

I would say that homosexuality is becoming viewed as less abberant than it once was, but beastiality...............Maybe beastiality is not abberant in your world, but in the minds of the other 99% of us, it goes without saying.

So . . . what does bestiality have to do with this? I hope you're not trying to make some sort of reference that gays are akin to animal abusers, because they are not . . .

aberrant - one whose behavior departs substantially from the norm of a group, unusual person, anomaly - a person who is unusual
Adj. 1. aberrant - markedly different from an accepted norm; "aberrent behavior"; "deviant ideas", not normal; not typical or usual or regular or conforming to a norm.

Sure, that's an apt description of Mr. Olympia. Or of many dedicated bodybuilders, which make up perhaps .0001% of the world's population. Yes?


By the way, were you homeschooled?

[Logan13]

I'm sure you will recall the many references made to zoologists who have documented how many species exhibit a small % of homosexual behaviour. From that, it is reasonable to assume that if it happens in animals from penguins to primates, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect it in humans. A normal representation of homosexual behaviour in other species is about 3% to 5%. It's about that in humans. Aberrant behaviour? Nope. Alarming? Sure, to people wedded to antiquated notions about sexuality.
The definition abberant behavior is relative, and is constantly evolving. As I said, homosexuality is becoming viewed as less abberant. But let's not pretend that 3% of the population is not abberant........Abberant or not, this behavior is becoming more widely accepted, to an extent.


. . . what does bestiality have to do with this? I hope you're not trying to make some sort of reference that gays are akin to animal abusers, because they are not . . .
I started my example with beastiality, your the one that added homosexuality to the mix.
Sure, that's an apt description of Mr. Olympia. Or of many dedicated bodybuilders, which make up perhaps .0001% of the world's population. Yes?

Mr olympia? How did we go from bodybuilding to Mr olympia?

By the way, were you homeschooled?

B.S Biology, Minor in Chemistry.........

[Coop77]

Aberrant behavior is behavior which is not within the normal limits.
I assure you that motorcycle riding and bodybuilding is done by a much, much larger percentage than those who practice beastiality and homosexuality. I would say that homosexuality is becoming viewed as less abberant than it once was, but beastiality...............Maybe beastiality is not abberant in your world, but in the minds of the other 99% of us, it goes without saying.
aberrant - one whose behavior departs substantially from the norm of a group, unusual person, anomaly - a person who is unusual
Adj. 1. aberrant - markedly different from an accepted norm; "aberrent behavior"; "deviant ideas", not normal; not typical or usual or regular or conforming to a norm.

Again with the equating homosexuality and bestiality. sigh.
The statement that homosexuality is aberrant and way outside of the norm is pretty debatable. I live in a major city. I can tell you that gays are everywhere. *everywhere*. And where ever you live, I can assure you they are everywhere too, just not as obvious to you.

[Logan13]

Again with the equating homosexuality and bestiality. sigh.
The statement that homosexuality is aberrant and way outside of the norm is pretty debatable. I live in a major city. I can tell you that gays are everywhere. *everywhere*. And where ever you live, I can assure you they are everywhere too, just not as obvious to you.

Your statement may be true.....for where you live. Read my entire postings, not just a few words for which you would like to argue.