tren, the liver, and kidneys

[jagdpanther]

From much of my reading it appears that tren was once thought to be very toxic to the liver and kidnneys. Some people people still believe this others dispute it. i haven't come across any evidence in real life or on the boards that would say tren is toxic to either. What do you people think?
Do any of you have hard evidence? I'm taking a fair amount of tren right now and I would like to know for my own safety if there is any truth to these rumours. Any evidence should be failry tight - not storeis about friends of friends.

[Booz]

with my exp with tren and ive by no means run high doses like others i can mention on here "cough" "cough" Tai....................
i usually piss mud when on tren and it takes a shed load of water to clear it up,so i know its hitting my kidneys pretty hard.....JMO...........

[jagdpanther]

on dark colored piss:

okay this is the last place I'd want to quote as it will damage my credibility for sure but according to wikpedia:

"The origin of this myth most likely has to do with the rust colored oxidized metabolites of trenbolone which are excreted in urine and often mistaken for blood. After Schänzer (Clin Chem 1996; 42(7): 1001-1020, Metabolism of anabolic androgenic steroids) trenbolone and 17epi-trenbolone are both excreted (in urine) as conjugates that can be hydrolyzed with beta-glucuronidase. This implies that trenbolone leaves the body as beta-glucuronides or sulfates, that means mostly non metabolized."


I haven't looked up the footnoted study yet but it is on my to do list for the near future.

[Booz]

on dark colored piss:

okay this is the last place I'd want to quote as it will damage my credibility for sure but according to wikpedia:

"The origin of this myth most likely has to do with the rust colored oxidized metabolites of trenbolone which are excreted in urine and often mistaken for blood. After Schänzer (Clin Chem 1996; 42(7): 1001-1020, Metabolism of anabolic androgenic steroids) trenbolone and 17epi-trenbolone are both excreted (in urine) as conjugates that can be hydrolyzed with beta-glucuronidase. This implies that trenbolone leaves the body as beta-glucuronides or sulfates, that means mostly non metabolized."


I haven't looked up the footnoted study yet but it is on my to do list for the near future.

ahhh righty ho thats something i never new mate thanks..............

[Benches505]

When on tren I feel polluted! The whole system feels out of whack

[jagdpanther]

I attribute the polluted feeling to my insomnia - some mornings I fell like I could be a zombie extra for Dawn of the Dead.

[testisbest]

Jag, do you feel that the insomia is dose dependant?

[mick-g]

Are we talking fina or made from the powder? Powder is by far the best for yeilding less sides and no fillers. Better on the kidneys and liver, i just take Liv-52 twice ed and drink plenty of h20. I dotakeother supplements, but it is a long list, lol! I never had the insomnia with tren e, but i do get the hot flashes, especially in the middle of the night.

[jagdpanther]

testisbest - before i thought the insomnia maybe dose dependent.
As i mentioned though this is a new protocol for me and i am still learning and experimenting. I have not really pushed the dose issue with tren on this cycle. If I understood him correctly the same person who suggested i try this regiment believes that once you over 200mg the sides will be the same. In my opinion he is very knowledgeable and I trust his advice.

mick-g I use powders for tren e or tren a, and for everything else. I feel well aside from the insomnia. I also drink tons of H2O

[shrpskn]

I wholeheartedly believe that tren can be toxic....I have no scientific backing, but based on "real-world" opinions that I have heard through the channels....tren is toxic, but it is entirely dose-dependent as well....much like many other things in the world...

Tylenol is not toxic when used according to dosage recommendations, but is highly toxic to the liver and kidneys is dosed at a high enough amount...

I think the same goes for tren...if ran at reasonable doses, tren can be ran safely....run it a ridiculous amount, and you can be certain that your body is not going to take well to it. i.e. hepatoxicity and/or renal problems.

JMHO,

[shrpskn]

I also drink tons of H2O

IMO, that is the key when running tren....drink stupid amounts of water to keep the body well flushed out.

[king6]

IMO, that is the key when running tren....drink stupid amounts of water to keep the body well flushed out.

Probably would be a good idea to run some sort of a kidney health supplement that you can find at the vitamin shope.

[shrpskn]

Probably would be a good idea to run some sort of a kidney health supplement that you can find at the vitamin shope.

I run Cranberry extract anytime I'm on tren....

[taiboxa]

with my exp with tren and ive by no means run high doses like others i can mention on here "cough" "cough" Tai....................
i usually piss mud when on tren and it takes a shed load of water to clear it up,so i know its hitting my kidneys pretty hard.....JMO...........

LoL.. yeah at REAL high doses i always had brown piss in the morning and had to increase water intake greatly! literally DOUBLE IT! (which was more of a pain than the insomnia its self) but after 5-6weeks on super high doses my liver and kidneys checked out A'oK from the doc... in all honesty.. winstrol was by far one of the meaniest aas i have ever used as far as far as elevating liver enzymes(which doesnt mean anyting really) fuxin up cholestrol beyond .. well my hdl was practically NEGATIVE!

so imo tren isnt as bad as people make it out to be.. but the nightsweats and lethargy that i get from it are pretty effin annoying.

[shrpskn]

^^ Yes, the trensomnia is the biggest problem I ever encounter when I run tren...the benefits to sides still outweigh one another....

IMO, Tren is the nectar of AAS's.

[fLgAtOr]

I feel like I have a moral obligation to go get BW done in the middle of my next cycle...jeeze, only one person here with actual results.

...I found a clinic that will test specifically for certain things.

[taiboxa]

I feel like I have a moral obligation to go get BW done in the middle of my next cycle...jeeze, only one person here with actual results.

...I found a clinic that will test specifically for certain things.

lol depends on ur next cycle.. or if u have pre'existing health issues..
hope ur cycle has lots of tren in it!

[fLgAtOr]

lol depends on ur next cycle.. or if u have pre'existing health issues..
hope ur cycle has lots of tren in it!

...and Drol?

Seriously though, I've never really thought there was a need for mid-cycle bw unless the reasons you mentioned above.

But if I can go to a clinic and get a couple values tested el la carte...Might as well.

Those of us that are active on this board know that this question is asked alot. And that very few people have a DEFINITE answer.

[taiboxa]

...and Drol?

Seriously though, I've never really thought there was a need for mid-cycle bw unless the reasons you mentioned above.

But if I can go to a clinic and get a couple values tested el la carte...Might as well.

Those of us that are active on this board know that this question is asked alot. And that very few people have a DEFINITE answer.

yeah if im runnin a stupid cycle i try to get blood work done every 3rd week... that way i will get a lil forwarning before i croak.