steroids have no effect on me!!!

[kona dawg]

O.k.-stats, 32 years old, 195, been lifting serious about 3 years, bf? I am on 500 test en -mon morn and thurs aft.-I just finished my 6th week and I cannot even tell anything-I did have excessive erections week 3 and 4 but nothing at all now. I eat about3500 to 4000 cal day-oatmeal, tuna , chicken breast, lean steak, whey protein, mixed nuts, yogurt , pb-I work out 5-6 days a week, one bp per day, along with cardio 30-45 min a day with my hr in the 130s-I know alot of people don't start feeling the test until about this time, but I'm getting nervous. I was wondering if I could throw in some decca for the remainder 6 weeks or up my test. This is my first cycle and I don't plan on doing another for awhile so I don't want to waste 12 weeks-I started itchy nipples about week 2 so I take 10mg of nolva ed and have nolva and clomid for pct-Let me know-Thanks-Also, I don't know if this matters or not, but pain medicine, tylenol, and shit like that doesn't affect me unless I take alot

[Fear_less]

wayyy to much cardio for gaining mass 30-45 min 5-6 days a week is excessive IMO.

[kona dawg]

Well I used to do an hour before i started my cycle with my hr in the 150s-I backed off for 2 weeks and gained half inch in my gut and no gains arms, chest, etc. I can't win for losing

[reddragon4954]

throw out the cardio bro, if you want to get big got to stop the cardio. Your kinda shooting yourself in the foot when you do that b/c you eat to gain muscle then the extra calories you consume just get burned up with the cardio. Good luck though

[kona dawg]

Thanks for the help, but how do u keep fat down without cardio? I eat like a horse and have always put fat on quick, muscle slow-So what about upping my test to 600 a week or adding decca?

[trvlr815]

Yes, cardio is alittle much.

I would personally scale it back to 3 days a wk in fat burn zone or 2 in highly arobic zone.
Your caloric intake seems to be fine and eatin like a champ. Your gears legit right?

[trvlr815]

You think he should throw out the cardio?????

I disagree with this.

[JDMSilviaSpecR]

It doesn't matter if he's doing the cardio. You will definitely notice a great deal of difference once the test kicks in. Dont worry bro, I'm beginning week 7 on my Test Prop/Test E/EQ cycle and the Test E and EQ are just now starting to kick in. you should've front loaded, as should've I, but I didn't expect to break one of my Test Prop vials for my kick start. Be patient give it another week and if your diet and workout is in check you should start reaping the benefits. The only other thing I can say is that you may have fake gear.

[kona dawg]

Well the fake gear crossed my mind but what about the excessive erections, and I mean excessive and the itchy nipples? At what week do I say its no good, or its about to kick in?

[trvlr815]

Their are a number of benifits to doing cardio.
One of the most important is that when you are growing it taxes your heart immensely.
Cardio also allows oxygen to your and nutritent pathways to your muscles

[trvlr815]

Ya you should double check that source

[kona dawg]

On the frontloading idea, i researched it till I was tired of reading it and it seemed like everyone on here was 50-50. Since it was my first cycle i figured I would be conservative and not do it. The guy I got it from it doing test en and decca and he has gained about 15 pounds already (6wks). When I picked it up he gave me three bottles, he had it all together so his was in the same bag so I think its legit, don't know though

[No1_Brawler]

First things first, dont start deca now, that will take any additional 5-6 weeks plus to kick in. If you got itchy nipples and excessive erections, then must be real. You shouldve kickstarted with a dbol so you dont get impatient. But you didnt so now just wait it out for an additional week or 2 weeks max. Maybe your one of those guys which takes a long time for the juice to kick in. If you dont get any gains in a few weeks, stop your cycle premature and start next time with Prop instead

[Fear_less]

yes it matters to much cardio when bulking but i agree with 2-3 times a week in fat burning zone(65%)

[p01ntbl4nk]

Sounds like bunk gear or under dosed. I do quite a bit of cardio and I still grow like a weed. I train hard. I make sure I nutrient time properly. My cardio consists of boxing exercises. Eat enough. Do a 50-25-25 diet or a 40-30-30. Trust me. =)

[Snrf]

Ignore the noobs yelling "fake gear" already.

I don't feel test until week 7, same goes for many others...don't worry..some people don't even feel it til week 8, but when it kicks in you'll know it.

[perfectbeast2001]

I do cardio ED and it should not affect your ability to get gains from AS if your diet is on point. Many people take longer to start getting gains ect especially with long estered test. You should notice an increase in libido at least. Obviously you need to be 100% sure your gear is legit too....

[Booz]

i do not start to see any real gains till around the 6-7 week mark with the longer ester tests,so dont panik yet mate.......

[Atomini]

How can people be saying his gear is fake when he's getting itchy nipples and the excessive erections? OBVIOUSLY, it's real gear.

Now whether or not it's underdosed, well, that's another thing...

Also consider what many have said already about it kicking in.

[youngarnold]

good point atomini.. so there is something in the gear could just be underdosed

[aftershock]

Is your strength going up mate? I dont know what gear you guys are using but imo there is no way you should not be seeing any gains of test e until weeks 7 or 8. You should be rocking an rolling by week 5 at the very latest

Remember his receptors are clear as it is his first cycle, he sould be growing like a weed. Yes a dbol kickstart would have helped, but he should definitely be feeling it by now.

Do you have any testicular atrophy mate?

I would be doubting the quality of that gear to be honest mate, sounds seriously underdosed to me.

[Snrf]

I think underdosed is an excuse used by many people to explain why they get shit results..its easier to blame that than really concentrate on diet, rest and training..

personally i'd wait a few more weeks to see if it kicks in, use calorieking.com to make sure you REALLY are eating enough calories and make sure you get 8+ hours of sleep a night, and are training properly....

cuz for too many people its one of the above rather than fake/underdosed gear

[Snrf]

Is your strength going up mate? I dont know what gear you guys are using but imo there is no way you should not be seeing any gains of test e until weeks 7 or 8. You should be rocking an rolling by week 5 at the very latest

Remember his receptors are clear as it is his first cycle, he sould be growing like a weed. Yes a dbol kickstart would have helped, but he should definitely be feeling it by now.

Do you have any testicular atrophy mate?

I would be doubting the quality of that gear to be honest mate, sounds seriously underdosed to me.

I know the Quality of mine is spot on, I made it myself using powders from the best powder supplier. It was also my first cycle and I saw nothing until week 7, you can't make a statement like that "week 5 at the very latest" since its individual specific...I'm not lying and I'm sure Booz isn't using bunk gear...

[thunderin]

Any weight gain, water retention or strength gain so far?

[GHO5T]

Cardio is fine even when one is bulking, as it works the most important muscle in your body, your heart. However when bulking, keep it to 2-3 30 minute sessions, preferrably in the mornings on an empty stomach.

Also your diet might be off bro, its easy to say your eating 3500-5000 cals a day, but i would like to see your diet as a whole.

List the times, the foods you eat during these times, and the macros for each meal. Protein, fat, carbs, calories. At the end total up all the macros and lets see where you land. Be as honest as you can, it will benefit you more.

~GHO5T~

[Lexed]

any gains so far?

[Booz]

Is your strength going up mate? I dont know what gear you guys are using but imo there is no way you should not be seeing any gains of test e until weeks 7 or 8. You should be rocking an rolling by week 5 at the very latest

Remember his receptors are clear as it is his first cycle, he sould be growing like a weed. Yes a dbol kickstart would have helped, but he should definitely be feeling it by now.

Do you have any testicular atrophy mate?

I would be doubting the quality of that gear to be honest mate, sounds seriously underdosed to me.

i get my gear from a top quality ugl with whom the owner i talk to nearly everyday mate....
i have never seen any significant gains eg seriouse weight jumps ect ect till the 6-7 week mark,you get the increase in sex drive and testicular atrophy and other sides early on.....
every one will and does react differently to these compounds so your statment of "you should be rocking and rolling by week 5" is tottal tosh mate...........
you may have significant gains by then but others may not..............
unless you frontload of coarse.............

[Booz]

I think underdosed is an excuse used by many people to explain why they get shit results..its easier to blame that than really concentrate on diet, rest and training..

personally i'd wait a few more weeks to see if it kicks in, use calorieking.com to make sure you REALLY are eating enough calories and make sure you get 8+ hours of sleep a night, and are training properly....

cuz for too many people its one of the above rather than fake/underdosed gear

lol you are starting to amaze me.......
ponders to think how long this will last?.............

[SVTMuscle*]

Im going with fake gear. he should at least be getting morning woods

[SVTMuscle*]

hell i get crazy morning woods when i take 500mg a trib before bed, i cant imagine 500mg of test then

[jagdpanther]

It is not only a question of when gear kicks in. Regardless of the ester it takes me 4-5 weeks to see some change. Around week eight I notice a significant visual difference in muscle size - I'm not talking bloat that happens earlier. I think no matter what you use it takes time for the body to start building not just muscle but the the body as a whole to support an accelerated rate of growth. i start to notice another significant change around weeks 10-12.
i'm don't think the growth is linear. Its like there are stages during which the body is changing slowly and ramping up to get ready for accelerated spurts. That is what my experiance has been like anyway.

[nalbano34]

He said he is getting noticable effects ( the nipples and the increased libido ) so there is test in the product it would seem. It isn't THAT uncommon to have late results in mass gains, but it does seem that the cardio may be an issue somewhat. At the caloric intake level I would be growing like mad...anabolics or not. I know we are all different and metabolism varies, but I have a rather fast one myself and he claims he gets fat if not doing excessive cardio. I usually take around 5 weeks to notice Test E on myself in the past, guess only time will tell.

[BG]

I do cardio ED and it should not affect your ability to get gains from AS if your diet is on point. Many people take longer to start getting gains ect especially with long estered test. You should notice an increase in libido at least. Obviously you need to be 100% sure your gear is legit too....

Agreed.

[BG]

I have to say its your diet, you need to create an anabolic enviroment for AS to work.

[nalbano34]

I have to say its your diet, you need to create an anabolic enviroment for AS to work.

I would agree to a point, but I have had some pretty bad dietary habits due to work getting hectic in the past and still made some fair gains. I think there is a combination of factors at play here.

[kona dawg]

I gained 5 pounds by the second week, but that may just be because I increased my calorie intake alot when I started. If it is underdosed should I jump to 600mg a week? I noticed the most libido at week 3-5. Had to have sex atleast 1 a day if not 2 where 3 times a week use to hold me. Week 6 I kind of had a cough, sore throat, etc so my libido was down. I didn't do dbol because the number one first cycle everyone recommends on here is a test e only cycle. I will post up my complete diet tommorrow when I have more time to write it all out. Weekend are kind of hectic. Thanks for all of you guys output and opinions

[Wizeguy]

I Kinda had the same problem when I did My first cycle last year. Hit me week 7 and 8. I did AAS in my early twentys and seemed to get better reults with lower dosages then. Now that I'm 35 It seems the gains arent as good even with higher dosages. I was dissapointed in my last cycles, they just werent the same as when I was 22. Maybe its just me but I think the older we get the less effect the AS have on our bodies.

[Decoder]

Sounds like its underdosed, But i have been in the same boat where it kicked in late and Only gained 5-8 pounds in the end. It will probably kick in week 7 but dont expect much gains probably 5 pounds. Get different gear next time.

[jaysunderstudy]

Really and truely I think ur overtraining. U can't build muscle if ur training all the time especially 5 days a week most of the pros' don't train that way to begin with. U might wanna consolidate ur workouts and do them maybe 4 days a a week. I've heard older guys at my gym talk about how they cut back and that helped them more than training more a week. Unfortunately getting older ur body has to have more time to recover.

[chest6]

Im going with fake gear. he should at least be getting morning woods

nah..its only week 6.

Give it a week and you should feel the strength gains kicking in...

If by week 9 you havent noticed anything..come back and we might give you a different response..