NEED frontloading HELP PLEASE!

[mkv213]

Need some help here with front loading dosages and PCT protocol.
I'm planning a 4 on 4 off cycle. I want to front load the dosages before cycle start. I'm running Test p, Tren a, Npp, Winny,.
Test p 700mg/wk
Tren a 700mg/wk
Npp 700/wk
winny 100/ed

I don't want the estro sides and any water retention and rollercoaster fast weight gain and loss from the test but I guess it should be the base of any cycle..supposedly. Basically using the tren/winny for my androgenics and Npp for anabolics. Only really using the test to not get deca dick and cuz i like being a horny animal. I just hate the estro sides during pct and getting big fast when it's only water, then losing the water and getting smaller again.

What dose and time length should I front load these compounds?

And What would be best for pct? Nolv/HCG/Aromasin? I want to recover asap to get on asap.

thx mkv213

[Johny-too-small]

You only frontlaod once; your first inject. What I do is double the mgs of your typical inject (ie: inject 500mg of test e instead of 250mg). However, with all your compounds, I would only frontlaod a couple of them. Then again, Ive never frontloaded a short estered compound.

[mkv213]

You only frontlaod once; your first inject. What I do is double the mgs of your typical inject (ie: inject 500mg of test e instead of 250mg). However, with all your compounds, I would only frontlaod a couple of them. Then again, Ive never frontloaded a short estered compound.

Only reason I want to frontload is because its only a 4 week cycle and I don't want to waste a week getting the compounds in my blood levels up.

[juiceball44]

4 week cycle? please explain

[pavlenko]

juiceball do some research on short cycling if you have questions. This cycle sounds very interesting mkv..let us know how it goes and what type of gains you get from it.

[jagdpanther]

Test p 700mg/wk
Tren a 700mg/wk
Npp 700/wk
winny 100/ed

I don't want the estro sides and any water retention and rollercoaster fast weight gain and loss from the test but I guess it should be the base of any cycle..supposedly. Basically using the tren/winny for my androgenics and Npp for anabolics.

thx mkv213

What exaclty does wk mean ? what is your injection schedule is it ED,EOD, E3D?

EOD is the the minimum shot frequncy for the propionate and acetate. If you want minimum sides and stable hormone levels ED is really the way to go with these two esters.

Check out the graph below, it is from the study noted below:



Pharmacokinetic properties of Testosterone propionate in normal men. Fujioka M, Shinohara Y, Baba S. et. Al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 63 (1986)1361-4.

abstract is here: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/63/6/1361



As you can see from the graph above test levels from a single prop injection of 25mg drop from 15 to 5 during the first 8 hours of the second day. That is a 66.6% decrease. if you were doing 100mg that would possibly equate into a drop from 60 to 20 theoretically.

[mkv213]

What exaclty does wk mean ? what is your injection schedule is it ED,EOD, E3D?

EOD is the the minimum shot frequncy for the propionate and acetate. If you want minimum sides and stable hormone levels ED is really the way to go with these two esters.

Check out the graph below, it is from the study noted below:



Pharmacokinetic properties of Testosterone propionate in normal men. Fujioka M, Shinohara Y, Baba S. et. Al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 63 (1986)1361-4.

abstract is here: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/63/6/1361



As you can see from the graph above test levels from a single prop injection of 25mg drop from 15 to 5 during the first 8 hours of the second day. That is a 66.6% decrease. if you were doing 100mg that would possibly equate into a drop from 60 to 20 theoretically.

ED injs.

[mkv213]

Another question...with using NPP and Tren, will I have issues with high progesterone levels causing gyno and will nolvadex and/or aromasen combat this? Or should I get some Cabergoline? Or high dosages of B-6 to keep lvls lowered?

[Dog-Slime]

NPP and Tren both shut you down hard and are not suggested for use in short cycles.

[mkv213]

NPP and Tren both shut you down hard and are not suggested for use in short cycles.

Why? it's a short cycle. They shut you don't even worse in long cycles. Those would be optimal choices in a short cycle IMO considering their short half life. My concern is the raise in progesterone levels. Being shut down is being shut down.

[Cutler fan]

test p and tren ac- no need to frontload. I use thoes compounds for front loading,

[juiceball44]

Another question...with using NPP and Tren, will I have issues with high progesterone levels causing gyno and will nolvadex and/or aromasen combat this? Or should I get some Cabergoline? Or high dosages of B-6 to keep lvls lowered?

run a small dose of letro

[Njord]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=frontloading
Above is Marcus300's thread on frontloading.
Frontloading for the longer esters (Enth, Cyp etc) normally means doubling your dose for the two first shots. ie if you plan on doing 250mg twice a week, you would inject 500mg twice in the first week and then go back to the normal 250mg x2 in the remaining weeks.
For the shorter esters (ace, prop, npp) it would probably be good enough to just double your first two ED injections.

[jdsogge]

what is NPP?never heard of it.

[jdsogge]

its not in profiles

[Titleist]

its not in profiles

Yes it is. It's under Nandrolone Phenylpropionate.

[jdsogge]

thanx

[Dog-Slime]

Why? it's a short cycle. They shut you don't even worse in long cycles. Those would be optimal choices in a short cycle IMO considering their short half life. My concern is the raise in progesterone levels. Being shut down is being shut down.

I just dont see how someone could be fully recovered from those two compounds in 4 weeks. I thought one of the main advantages of short cycles was not getting completely shut down. One shot of nandrolone can shut a man down...

[mkv213]

I just dont see how someone could be fully recovered from those two compounds in 4 weeks. I thought one of the main advantages of short cycles was not getting completely shut down. One shot of nandrolone can shut a man down...

True, nandrolone will shut ya down hard, I've seemed to always recover quickly though. I ran decanate ester and then npp last 4 wks of a 20 wk cycle and was recovered in a lil over a month. Guess it ***ends on the user and their body.