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    grapefruit juice and oral bioavailability

    Hey guys, has anyone ever experimented with grapefruit juice to increase the availability of oral steroids?? It's a sound theory, but i would love to hear some first hand reports if anyone has any ! Using it to increase the absorption of anavar is what i'm considering...

    Here's a short article i came across, there's lots of info on pubmed though...


    James Maskalyk
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    Grapefruit juice interacts with a number of medications. This unusual discovery was made serendipitously in 1989 during an experiment designed to test the effect of ethanol on a calcium-channel blocker.1 The observed response was later determined to be due to the grapefruit juice delivery vehicle rather than the alcohol. In the past decade, the list of drug interactions with grapefruit juice has expanded to include several classes of medication, precipitating a recent advisory from Health Canada.2

    The interaction: As little as 250 mL of grapefruit juice can change the metabolism of some drugs.3 This drug–food interaction occurs because of a common pathway involving a specific isoform of cytochrome P450 — CYP3A4 — present in both the liver and the intestinal wall. Studies suggest that grapefruit juice exerts its effect primarily at the level of the intestine.4

    After ingestion, a substrate contained in the grapefruit binds to the intestinal isoenzyme, impairing first-pass metabolism directly and causing a sustained decrease in CYP3A4 protein expression. Within 4 hours of ingestion, a reduction in the effective CYP3A4 concentration occurs, with effects lasting up to 24 hours. The net result is inhibition of drug metabolism in the intestine and increased oral bioavailability. Because of the prolonged response, separating the intake of the drug and the juice does not prevent interference.

    Individuals express CYP3A4 in different proportions, those with the highest intestinal concentration being most susceptible to grapefruit juice–drug interactions. An effect is seen with the whole fruit as well as its juice, so caution should be exercised with both. The precise chemical compound in grapefruit that causes the interaction has not been identified. There is no similar reaction with orange juice, although there is some suspicion that "sour oranges" such as the Seville variety, may have some effect. A recent study, however, that tested the known interference of grapefruit juice with cyclosporine showed no similar effect with Seville oranges.

    There is some interest in the potential therapeutic benefit of adding grapefruit juice to a drug regimen to increase oral bioavailability. The limitation is the individual variation in patient response. However, if the chemical that causes grapefruit's CYP3A4 inhibition is elucidated, there may be an opportunity to modulate that pathway in a controlled fashion.

    What to do: Much of the data obtained on grapefruit juice–drug interactions involved measuring serum drug concentrations in small numbers of healthy volunteers. Because of the limited data and only occasional case reports, it is difficult to quantify the clinical significance for individual patients. One may assume that the interaction occurs primarily with oral medicines, and only with those that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, with the consequence being increased oral bioavailability, higher serum drug concentrations and associated adverse effects.

    Physicians should review medication lists often, with the goal of warning patients about adverse interactions. In the case of several medications that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, but for which a clinical effect has not been elucidated or is theoretical, patients should be advised to consume grapefruit cautiously and be monitored for toxicity.


    Thanks guys,

    -jsv

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    i've tried it with dbol and var, couldn't tell the difference to be honest

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    im about to try it with var ill let u know if I can tell the difference

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    It should work...I was one of the first people to post about it...and I even tried it a few times...I don't know if it worked out in the end.

    I mean...lets say it improves bioavailability by 10%....can you tell the difference between 100mgs of Drol and 110mgs? Or between 55mgs of dbol and 50mgs of it?

    Even if it works...who would notice. I don't know if we want to abandon the theory...but I wonder if it works, would we realistically notice?

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    Hmm, that's interesting. I guess i may as well try it (since i'm not taking any medications that would have any other interactions with P450 enzymes)...i'm going to do some more research on this (since i still have access to my uni's fulltext articles . ill report back if i find anything else of interest!

    thanks for the response guys ! ACpower, let me know how it goes for you...are you just doing var only ?

    - jsv

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    i actually conducted a research project over dihydroxybergamotin and increase BA.
    the amount of inhibition from a 200mg dosing of DHB on the cyp3a4 isoenzyme was approxinamlty 32%

    i used bioluminesence to test this figures and the measurements were in RLUs
    i also tested 100mg dosings and they were ok bout 9.2% inhibition which is still substantual for increasing the BA of an oral product.. its still ***endent upon the metabolic pathway the drug utilizes in the cyp450 system.


    grapefruit juice is great if u got the pulp w/ it as that is where most of the DHB resides.

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    it actually lessens the effects of orals

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernrok101
    it actually lessens the effects of orals
    please back this ridiculous quote up with some evidence..

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    what?!

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    please back this ridiculous quote up with some evidence..
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernrok101
    it actually lessens the effects of orals
    way to display your ignorance like a shining beacon in the night there genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernrok101
    it actually lessens the effects of orals


    thanks for your input everyone else!

    -jsv

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    way to display your ignorance like a shining beacon in the night there genius.

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    hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernrok101
    it actually lessens the effects of orals
    plz do not feed the Trollz

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    It is supposed to work ... but I doubt you'll notice much a difference.

    But, ... the question is ... why not? It's cheap, and var is pricy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    way to display your ignorance like a shining beacon in the night there genius.
    Unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    please back this ridiculous quote up with some evidence..

    thats what i heard ...that it hinders the effects of certain orals

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    so now everyone is a smartass

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    maybe im wrong ....but their is nothing worse then a smart ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernrok101
    thats what i heard ...that it hinders the effects of certain orals
    this is true there are many medications that have hindered BA and halflifes when the cyp450 isoenzymes are inhibited but also there are many that are just the opposite.

    there are like 7 or so isoenzymes that make up the cytocrhome P450 system and numerous pathways for drug metabolization. but for the most part the drugs we utilize are involved in the cyp3A4 pathway of metabolization. therefor inhibition on the cyp3A4 via dihydroxybergamottin can increase these drugs' potencies.

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    see thank you... valid explanation

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    dbol seemed to kick in a lot harder when taken w/ grapefruit juice...as far as winni goes, its the only thing i found to cover up the god awefull taaste lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trulbfan3
    dbol seemed to kick in a lot harder when taken w/ grapefruit juice...as far as winni goes, its the only thing i found to cover up the god awefull taaste lol.
    Quite DRINKING IT! lol. INject, or buy tablets!!! LMAO.

    Just because you can ... doesn't mean you should!!!

    Boy that nasty taste lingers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
    Unnecessary.
    I don't know... I kinda like Taiboxa's gumpiness, lol

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