No offense to you guys but I feel differently. For one answering the question, some steroids gains are kept because like said before, water weight is kept off and some help your body take in great amounts of water. So you gain 20 pounds on test and loose 10 after you stop... keeping half. On equipoise you gain 15 and keep 10-12 respectively. Some steroids bind to the receptor cites very well while keeping certain bodily functions normal. On the other hand you have test which in turn stops your bodies test production (also applies to anadrol, D-bol, ect) and when you get off your week little body has too much estro to test and you get all fat and loose the muscle and boost you had before. But back to the natural first thing. I believe that in some ways but I think that a boost from the juice in the beginning is what might be needed. I was 190 some odd pounds in june of last year with around 18% body fat at 6 or 6'1". Being 20 years old at the time I had been wanting to become muscular and huge for a couple years but didnt have motivation. I decided to get on a few cycles, ya know take the "easy" way out, I started simple and took the proper time off, ect. Did everything by the book. Test and deca at 400 mg a week. It boosted confidence and I HAD to go to the gym, I mean I spent all that money on these bottles, like 120 dollars!!! Then I went to my next cycle and next and found out $1000 for a cycle is normal. I stopped at 210 pounds with half the body fat if that and strength that went from a 250 pound bench to a ridiculous 360 pounds. Now after that which ended in June of this year, about 6 months of cycling on the juice and with time off of about 3 months, ect. In about 9 months from when i started I changed drastically. I am now all natural and 240 pounds gaining more now then when i was on roids cause i train so hard and eat shit loads of calories. In other words sometimes people need a boost. Then go all natural for a year after that and then again start up again as a new man alreadt starting out with a great platform.