Moore on Blitzer, CNN.

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Are you saying that people who go to school for 12 years and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars should not enter into profitable business? If it were not so, we would loose many of the brightest candidates for the job.
Competition makes us better.

I'm not talking about doctors. I'm talking about insurance companies that are doing everything they can to profit from the illnesses of others and rewarding employees who deny coverage to customers, making them more money. Americans pay 40% more per capita on health care than any other industrialized country with universal health care, but has some of the lowest life expectancies and infant mortality rates compared to these countries. What Michael Moore and countless others have been saying for years would put more money in your pockets. Why do you think these pharmaceutical companies are trying so hard to block generic drugs from being allowed in the United States? Americans would be receiving the same drugs for less money, a big business no-no. More money in your pockets would allow you to spend or invest elsewhere, keeping the economy on track. We (Canadians) are paying nearly half per capita for health care than Americans ($2,163 versus $4,887 in 2001).

http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
http://cthealth.server101.com/the_ca...ted_states.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0223-01.htm

Here's some more interesting facts. The province of Ontario now produces more automobiles than Michigan. Why? Because GM, Ford and Toyota are moving their factories there because they save money on health costs, along with government incentives. By them moving to Ontario, they are creating more jobs for Canadians and boosting our economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors

[Logan13]

I'm not talking about doctors. I'm talking about insurance companies that are doing everything they can to profit from the illnesses of others and rewarding employees who deny coverage to customers, making them more money. Americans pay 40% more per capita on health care than any other industrialized country with universal health care, but has some of the lowest life expectancies and infant mortality rates compared to these countries. What Michael Moore and countless others have been saying for years would put more money in your pockets. Why do you think these pharmaceutical companies are trying so hard to block generic drugs from being allowed in the United States? Americans would be receiving the same drugs for less money, a big business no-no. More money in your pockets would allow you to spend or invest elsewhere, keeping the economy on track. We (Canadians) are paying nearly half per capita for health care than Americans ($2,163 versus $4,887 in 2001).

http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
http://cthealth.server101.com/the_ca...ted_states.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0223-01.htm

Here's some more interesting facts. The province of Ontario now produces more automobiles than Michigan. Why? Because GM, Ford and Toyota are moving their factories there because they save money on health costs, along with government incentives. By them moving to Ontario, they are creating more jobs for Canadians and boosting our economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors

Insurance companies are out of control. Anyone who says otherwise is just not being homest about the current situation. I have a couple of married employees who make $14 and $15 per hour. During a 40 hour work week they make $560-$600. Their healthcare premiums cost them $620/month! Their healthcare premiums cost our company an additional $400/month each. My company has 120 employees and I have shopped around for better rates and coverage, but the market is set and everyone is charging these absurd prices. But do not make Canadien healthcare out to be something that it is not. Those who have the means come to the US for serious problems.

[Logan13]

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Here's some more interesting facts. The province of Ontario now produces more automobiles than Michigan. Why? Because GM, Ford and Toyota are moving their factories there because they save money on health costs, along with government incentives. By them moving to Ontario, they are creating more jobs for Canadians and boosting our economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors

All of the big auto makers are paying healthcare premiums on employess that retired 20 and 30 years ago, that is what is causing their bottom line to dip into the red. Union contracts from the past that made these companies responsible for paying for the healthcare premiums of workers until death is to blame. Wouldn't it be great if all companies would do this, hell yes. But these companies are in business to make a profit, the same reason that you and I get up every day and go to work. No one can expect anyone, even a large company, to operate in the red in order to pay for cradle to grave entitlements. The Unions have forced many, many companies to move outside of the US. This only hurts the workers who will be losing these jobs. Wanna point fingers, point them at Big Union.

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All of the big auto makers are paying healthcare premiums on employess that retired 20 and 30 years ago, that is what is causing their bottom line to dip into the red. Union contracts from the past that made these companies responsible for paying for the healthcare premiums of workers until death is to blame. Wouldn't it be great if all companies would do this, hell yes. But these companies are in business to make a profit, the same reason that you and I get up every day and go to work. No one can expect anyone, even a large company, to operate in the red in order to pay for cradle to grave entitlements. The Unions have forced many, many companies to move outside of the US. This only hurts the workers who will be losing these jobs. Wanna point fingers, point them at Big Union.

Exactly right! Well put.

I live in the Midwest as well and know several people who work for the auto industry and places like delphi. A friend of mine was getting paid $27/hour to put two connectors on a wire harness! They did this for 8 years of their lives, working 8 hours a day. Eventually the plant closes and these people can't find another job w/that pay. They get used to the pay from the union contracts and live that way and boom left out cold. These folks are my friends but I hardly feel too bad for them. With getting paid that much and having all that free time, they should have seen the writing on the wall and gone to school while still raking in the cash. But most didn't because 'the union will take care of us.'

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Their healthcare premiums cost them $620/month! Their healthcare premiums cost our company an additional $400/month each. My company has 120 employees and I have shopped around for better rates and coverage, but the market is set and everyone is charging these absurd prices.

All of the big auto makers are paying healthcare premiums on employess that retired 20 and 30 years ago, that is what is causing their bottom line to dip into the red. Union contracts from the past that made these companies responsible for paying for the healthcare premiums of workers until death is to blame.

Like I said, the big three are moving operations to Canada because they are saving money on benefits because insurance companies are raping Americans up the ass. By saying insurance companies are out of control, you are helping me prove my point. GM, Ford and Chrysler would not be losing so much money on benefits if insurance companies weren't raising premiums to new heights. CAW members are making $26 Canadian/hour, get the same benefits UAW workers were, at the same time companies are paying less for benefits and increasing profits through savings because of our healthcare system.

Also, you can't blame the union for the big three losing more than 20% of the market share in the past 10 years. They put together what is given to them. Poor design, inefficient motors, and unattractive vehicles are killing the big three.

If anything, I should be thanking the American insurance companies. They are giving us the high paying jobs that American's once took great pride in.