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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    The point to remember, says Connolley, is that predictions of global cooling never approached the kind of widespread scientific consensus that supports the greenhouse effect today. And for good reason: the tools scientists have at their disposal now—vastly more data, incomparably faster computers and infinitely more sophisticated mathematical models—render any forecasts from 1975 as inoperative as the predictions being made around the same time about the inevitable triumph of communism. Astronomers have been warning for decades that life on Earth could be wiped out by a collision with a giant meteorite; it hasn't happened yet, but that doesn't mean that journalists have been dupes or alarmists for reporting this news. Citizens can judge for themselves what constitutes a prudent response-which, indeed, is what occurred 30 years ago. All in all, it's probably just as well that society elected not to follow one of the possible solutions mentioned in the NEWSWEEK article: to pour soot over the Arctic ice cap, to help it melt.
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.
    Point is that it is only a theory. Those who so quickly embrace this theory are the same ones' who embraced the Global Cooling theory as well. I find it strange that some are so willing to believe in such theories, even when there is legitimate arguments against it. These are the same people who will never affirm world terrorist intelligence, since it was wrong once......just as wrong as the Global Cooling theory was. It is political.

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    I heard the other day that the only poll of "experts" ever done showed that just over 50% buy into the whole global warming thing. Not much of a consensus...



    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.


    i think should make them clean up after themselves ie; they know co2 levels are increasing because of their "products" so why not get them to pay for massive co2 scrubbers.after all companies such as shell oil make billions and billions in a year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helium3
    i think should make them clean up after themselves ie; they know co2 levels are increasing because of their "products" so why not get them to pay for massive co2 scrubbers.after all companies such as shell oil make billions and billions in a year!
    I have read 6 or 7 100 acre deep sea (picture the middle of the ocean nobody is using anyway) kelp bed farms would reverse the rise in CO2.

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