COUPLE questions for you fellas

[FortKnox36]

I dont know why you choose to run your cycle like you have laid out . IMO your making it way to complicated. You should have just went with test at 500mg /wk ( also your only 21 which is a bit young in my opinion).Also proper diet and training stimulus are key and are what are going to get you where you need to be!! That said. Lets take a look at what you have laid out here.

Why are you choosing to run prop in the middle of you first Test-e cycle?? You should have just went with the test e at 400-500 mg per week for 10-11 and be done with it..

Why are you proposing running winny twice in one cycle ( and on your first cycle) Either use it at the begin or the end ..

Let me stop here and make sure I understand what your saying. What week are you on right now and how many injects of prop have you done already..

I want to give you a push in the right direction but I want to make sure I am clear on what your doing Thanks

Merc

First off....thanks merc for halpin me out! The reasoning behind my madness cannot be explained. However, I am where I am and like you said, I need a push in the right direction. Of course my diet and training are on key though (I have been training for 5 years)

Well I am on my 6th week of test E. (wednesday will be the start of my 7th)

I am on my 4th week of winny (sat will be the end)

I started my winny too late, due to shipping issues, and I was thinking of stopping after 4 weeks and then starting again on week 10 of the test E. and run it through week 11 (total of 2 more weeks) I thought this might be better for PCT recovery.

I hav injected 2 shots of prop.

1st injection was last week wednesday and 2nd injection was friday. (each 75mg)

Today is suppose to be my third and I was planning on following a M/W/F routine of 75mg.

Thanks merc.

[Merc..]

First off....thanks merc for halpin me out! The reasoning behind my madness cannot be explained. However, I am where I am and like you said, I need a push in the right direction. Of course my diet and training are on key though (I have been training for 5 years)

Well I am on my 6th week of test E. (wednesday will be the start of my 7th)

I am on my 4th week of winny (sat will be the end)

I started my winny too late, due to shipping issues, and I was thinking of stopping after 4 weeks and then starting again on week 10 of the test E. and run it through week 11 (total of 2 more weeks) I thought this might be better for PCT recovery.

I hav injected 2 shots of prop.

1st injection was last week wednesday and 2nd injection was friday. (each 75mg)

Today is suppose to be my third and I was planning on following a M/W/F routine of 75mg.

Thanks merc.

No problem !! Ok then.


Since you are already on a cycle lets try and look at what could be done at this point.. You really shoud have researched alot more before jumping into this one..

I would up the test E and extend the cycle to maybe 12-13 wks . Drop the prop it does not matter that you took 2 shots it is unnecessary to have it in your this cycle.

With the winny go 5 weeks total ( could go six if you wanted to but please research this more before you do anything) And do not use it again this cycle.. Just the first 5-6 weeks (since you already started )..

Please look below my post in my signature and click on the link hookers pct.. Thats the best IMO..

Merc

[FortKnox36]

No problem !! Ok then.


Since you are already on a cycle lets try and look at what could be done at this point.. You really shoud have researched alot more before jumping into this one..

I would up the test E and extend the cycle to maybe 12-13 wks . Drop the prop it does not matter that you took 2 shots it is unnecessary to have it in your this cycle.

With the winny go 5 weeks total ( could go six if you wanted to but please research this more before you do anything) And do not use it again this cycle.. Just the first 5-6 weeks (since you already started )..

Please look below my post in my signature and click on the link hookers pct.. Thats the best IMO..

Merc

Thanks for clearing up the winny and PCT problem!


I'll just keep on the winny for 5-6weeks.

Ok...as for the test...

I only have 4 amps of test E...meaning i cannot up the dose or extend the cycle unless i get more...which I am not sure I want to do..I have a lot of test prop. and i really would like to inccorporate this into my cycle. How should I run it so it goes good with my PCT recovery?

So basically i want to run the prop. I just need to know the best way in your opinion. Thanks merc. you have been a lot of good help. I am feelin a little better each time u post.

C

[Merc..]

Thanks for clearing up the winny and PCT problem!


I'll just keep on the winny for 5-6weeks.

Ok...as for the test...

I only have 4 amps of test E...meaning i cannot up the dose or extend the cycle unless i get more...which I am not sure I want to do..I have a lot of test prop. and i really would like to inccorporate this into my cycle. How should I run it so it goes good with my PCT recovery?

So basically i want to run the prop. I just need to know the best way in your opinion. Thanks merc. you have been a lot of good help. I am feelin a little better each time u post.

C

Glad I can try and help you out.. Dont mind it when people listen some peeps already no everything so need to say anything to them ... But at least your researching now and thats great ( I only wish you did more before you started )..

5-6 wks total on the winny ( so your just bout done with it, just wanted to be clear here) ????

Hmmmm,

Best thing to do is get more test-e if anyway possible as I already said it is your best route at this point IMO.

I suppose you could finish up your test -e and than switch over to prop at 100 mg EOD.

Lets bump this for more thoughts though.....


BIG BUMP ?????


Merc

[FortKnox36]

Glad I can try and help you out.. Dont mind it when people listen some peeps already no everything so need to say anything to them ... But at least your researching now and thats great ( I only wish you did more before you started )..

5-6 wks total on the winny ( so your just bout done with it, just wanted to be clear here) ????

Hmmmm,

Best thing to do is get more test-e if anyway possible as I already said it is your best route at this point IMO.

I suppose you could finish up your test -e and than switch over to prop at 100 mg EOD.

Lets bump this for more thoughts though.....


BIG BUMP ?????


Merc

Thanks again for responding so quickly!

To clear things up about the winny....I am on my 4th week now...This saturday will be the start of my 5th...so yes almost done with this. BTW I love this stuff...

I have been only running 250mg/week of test. E...That is why I wanted to up my test...so I went with a fast acting test so it would kick in faster!

What do you think about this...

Run test Prop. weeks 9-12?

and then start my PCT 3 days after my last shot...

Also! concerning the PCT...is HCG necessary? I feel my cycle wasnt too strong...

Merc you'e been great!

C

[Merc..]

Thanks again for responding so quickly!

To clear things up about the winny....I am on my 4th week now...This saturday will be the start of my 5th...so yes almost done with this. BTW I love this stuff...

I have been only running 250mg/week of test. E...That is why I wanted to up my test...so I went with a fast acting test so it would kick in faster!

What do you think about this...

Run test Prop. weeks 9-12?

and then start my PCT 3 days after my last shot...

Also! concerning the PCT...is HCG necessary? I feel my cycle wasnt too strong...

Merc you'e been great!

C

I dont see why you couldnt pull that off like you suggested with the prop..

Have to use hcg no, but do I recommed it for you , Hell YA.. I have worked with hooker( concering hcg) and have a pretty extensive knowlage about HCG so I like its effects in the protocol he created..

Without getting into it to much many people dont advocate hcg for post cycle due to its suppressive nature ( is effects on 17 hydroxyprogesterone, and for you peeps that think it caused by PKC please look up desentize and leydig on pubmed and you will see its most likley caused by effects on 17 OHP not PKC)

I know Xmoe hangs out alot here in the pct forum . And maybe he can chime in on this subject ?????


Merc.

[FortKnox36]

I dont see why you couldnt pull that off like you suggested with the prop..

Have to use hcg no, but do I recommed it for you , Hell YA.. I have worked with hooker( concering hcg) and have a pretty extensive knowlage about HCG so I like its effects in the protocol he created..

Without getting into it to much many people dont advocate hcg for post cycle due to its suppressive nature ( is effects on 17 hydroxyprogesterone, and for you peeps that think it caused by PKC please look up desentize and leydig on pubmed and you will see its most likley caused by effects on 17 OHP not PKC)

I know Xmoe hangs out alot here in the pct forum . And maybe he can chime in on this subject ?????


Merc.

Thanks merc.

I hav read tht hooker actually got put into jail and isnt allowed to even give steroid advice anymore because he was caught giving false information?

Anyways....thanks again merc for everything u helped me with...I have decided to hold off with the prop untill week 8 and once i stop the winny i will start injecting prop.

Just oone more question regaurding the prop..

prop. week 8-12

How should i run it?

100mg EOD or 75mg EOD?

I am wanting to go with the 75mg EOD...can you give mne the pros and cons to this>? thanks!

C