Frontloading explained-

[Dog-Slime]

Lol copied from wrong window. I meant this one...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=125401

[jon77]

for inquiring minds.......

[Mr Tick]

My advice would be to fronload then inject everyday. This was posted on another board. All good information:

I am writing this but cannot take credit for it. This line of reasoning was pointed out to me by a bro who wishes to now remain anonymous.

GG and Superduty got me thinking tho so I'd thought I'd try to explain it.

The goal of injecting steriods is to increase blood levels of testosterone much higher than can be achieved normally. One of our criteria in doing this is to keep blood levels as stable as possible throughout cycle to provide the best environment for growth and to avoid as many sides as possible. I believe many side effects are caused by the spikes and dips created by once or twice a week injections, even using long esters. A way to reduce these sides would be to use a proper half life to determine when to inject or more importantly how much to frontload with.

Now most half lives are calculated on 1.5 x the number of carbon atoms to determine 1/2 life in days. Thats wrong! If you go to PubMed or AMJ you can look up numerous studies showing a much shorter half life(@ .7 per carbon atom)

That difference is because esters decay at a logarithmic rate, meaning the more esterified hormone in the injection depot, the more is released. This release rate slows as the amount of esterified hormone in the depot is reduced over time.
The general rule is about 0.7 X the number of carbons atoms in a linear ester . However when the body builder needs to keep in mind is that the majority of the esterified hormone is released, regardless of the ester, with the first 24hrs of injection because of the logarithmic rate of decay.
(THANKS TO BODY BY BALCO FOR HIS INFO)
What does this mean in simple terms?
I'll useTestosterone Enthante in an 8 week cycle as an example:

Assume a 5 day half life for enthanate based on .7 x it's carbons.
Injecting 579mg on day one of your cycle will provide stable levels of 550 mg per week for the duration of your cycle provided you replentish 75 mg EVERY DAY.
INJECT
Day 1- 579- giving you 550 mg in 24 hours
Day 2 75 giving you 550 mg
Day 3 75 550
Day 4 75 550
Day 5 75 550
Day 6 75 550
Day 7 75 550
Day 8 75 550
Day 9 75 550
Day10 75 550
Day11 75 550
Day12 75 550

and so on until day 57 when you stop injections
decay clearance is as follows
DAY Total MG
58 479
59 417
60 363
61 316
62 275
63 240
64 209
65 182
66 158
67 138
68 120
69 104
70 91
71 79
72 69
73 60
74 52
75 45
76 40
77 34
78 30
79 26
80 23
81 20
82 17
83 15
84 13
85 11
all the way down to day 98 (end of week 14) before the enth is totally cleared.
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Enthanate Clearance 500 mg


http://powerboard.rockarfett.com/roidcalc/

Bump. Still looking for answers on my questions on this type of cycle. Anyone use it? Hows it working? Better then a EOD cycle?

Thanks

[Mr Tick]

Shit on one has a opinion on this. Gotta be a First!!!

[Mr Tick]

Come on people. Anyone with an opnion here? Dont want to bump this thread all year people.

Thanks.

[Mr Tick]

[3bd]

This is a great thread. Going to use it on my next cycle. But there was one question that came to my newbie mind while reading all this info... isn't this really the same as kickstarting a cycle with A-bombs or Dbol? Better yet, would you still use one of these kickstarters when front loading?

[JJP480]

I have been on Test En and Deca for ( week 2 ) now @ 500mg Test and the Deca 400mg/week. After reading about frontloading am I able to up the dosage now and continue with this principle or should I just give it a whirl next run?

[3bd]

This is a great thread. Going to use it on my next cycle. But there was one question that came to my newbie mind while reading all this info... isn't this really the same as kickstarting a cycle with A-bombs or Dbol? Better yet, would you still use one of these kickstarters when front loading?

bump, this never got answered. thx

[Maldorf]

bump, this never got answered. thx

I like to use an oral too along with frontloading, but when you do the oral sometimes you only have to run it one week or so instead of the usual 3-4 weeks. Much shorter run of the oral.

[3bd]

Thanks for answering. This makes sense.

[Buildingmuscle]

I'm not sure if I'm understanding all this or not,,,

say I was going to run a cycle of
test e at 1000mg a week
deca at 600mg a week
tren e at 750mg a week

Ok I can frontload all of these right?

and if so is it better to inject on a daily basis or e3d since these are long esters?

thanks

[YouAintKnow330]

Good Stuff

[Twanny]

this may be a dumb question..but does front loading work with deca? to my knowledge its a slighly different compund then testosterone, would i double my reg monthly dose with this as well?

The principle relates to the speed of release of the drug into the blood stream. Hence it can be applied to Deca, the same way it can be to test, but because the test esters release at different rates to deca, the formula for frontloading would be different, albeit slightly. (i think)


Um, i didnt realise that there were 3 pages, and the question was already answered

[Twanny]

i reckon ill give this a go.

[cache49]

Great post. Bump. Good knowledge for us Juniors to learn early.

[cache49]

Is there any reason this tecnique can not be applied mid cycle, just for the purpose of boosting blood levels, not having to wait the extra weeks to reach your target. An extra injection thrown in the mix maybe??

[Dizz28]

no reason, it won't speed things up. A constant blood level is what you want

[Johny-too-small]

Meh, Ive tried frontloading a few times and so have several of my bros. We all agree, that this theory looks good on paper but is a load of crap in reality. However, its just my exp. and everyone is unique. Good luck to all, hope it does work for you.

[katmando]

bump

[Maldorf]

Meh, Ive tried frontloading a few times and so have several of my bros. We all agree, that this theory looks good on paper but is a load of crap in reality. However, its just my exp. and everyone is unique. Good luck to all, hope it does work for you.

Not so at all. It works, and works well. I can get a peak effect in one week frontloading, whereas the conventional way it might take me 3 weeks or so. Ive run a frontload 2 weeks and the effects were so strong that I wish I hadnt. It has a very powerful effect and should not be taken lightly. I would only recommend it for experienced users.

[sitries]

frontlading= more sides

[Mr Tick]

My advice would be to fronload then inject everyday. This was posted on another board. All good information:

I am writing this but cannot take credit for it. This line of reasoning was pointed out to me by a bro who wishes to now remain anonymous.

GG and Superduty got me thinking tho so I'd thought I'd try to explain it.

The goal of injecting steriods is to increase blood levels of testosterone much higher than can be achieved normally. One of our criteria in doing this is to keep blood levels as stable as possible throughout cycle to provide the best environment for growth and to avoid as many sides as possible. I believe many side effects are caused by the spikes and dips created by once or twice a week injections, even using long esters. A way to reduce these sides would be to use a proper half life to determine when to inject or more importantly how much to frontload with.

Now most half lives are calculated on 1.5 x the number of carbon atoms to determine 1/2 life in days. Thats wrong! If you go to PubMed or AMJ you can look up numerous studies showing a much shorter half life(@ .7 per carbon atom)

That difference is because esters decay at a logarithmic rate, meaning the more esterified hormone in the injection depot, the more is released. This release rate slows as the amount of esterified hormone in the depot is reduced over time.
The general rule is about 0.7 X the number of carbons atoms in a linear ester . However when the body builder needs to keep in mind is that the majority of the esterified hormone is released, regardless of the ester, with the first 24hrs of injection because of the logarithmic rate of decay.
(THANKS TO BODY BY BALCO FOR HIS INFO)
What does this mean in simple terms?
I'll useTestosterone Enthante in an 8 week cycle as an example:

Assume a 5 day half life for enthanate based on .7 x it's carbons.
Injecting 579mg on day one of your cycle will provide stable levels of 550 mg per week for the duration of your cycle provided you replentish 75 mg EVERY DAY.
INJECT
Day 1- 579- giving you 550 mg in 24 hours
Day 2 75 giving you 550 mg
Day 3 75 550
Day 4 75 550
Day 5 75 550
Day 6 75 550
Day 7 75 550
Day 8 75 550
Day 9 75 550
Day10 75 550
Day11 75 550
Day12 75 550

and so on until day 57 when you stop injections
decay clearance is as follows
DAY Total MG
58 479
59 417
60 363
61 316
62 275
63 240
64 209
65 182
66 158
67 138
68 120
69 104
70 91
71 79
72 69
73 60
74 52
75 45
76 40
77 34
78 30
79 26
80 23
81 20
82 17
83 15
84 13
85 11
all the way down to day 98 (end of week 14) before the enth is totally cleared.
__________________





http://powerboard.rockarfett.com/roidcalc/

Has anyone done this or have any comments on a cycle like this? Im still looking for answers.

[sirbuster]

There is some great information in this thread, i have read the whole thing and it appears to come down to preferance. I am new to all this and have never done a cycle before.. I would want to know how a certain steroid affects me before i took a mega dose or a frontload. I would start a cycle in a altradition manor, see how the sides were then look at these options on a later cycle IMO.

[sirbuster]

One other thing, if you were to front load or mega dose could this lead to possible injury while lifting? I have always been told that muscles can grow and handle weight faster than tendons and joints. If you had it all up front this might lead to overtrainng and injury, again JMO.

[mr newbreed]

im coming to the end of my cycle now but what i would like to know is on my next cycle i will be using sus 250 eod=1000mg a week and deca 500mg a week running these 2 compounds for 8 weeks.im going to try this front loading technique,how much of what and how often will i need to inject to achive this ?

[Big]

sust contains short esters so frontloading it is not needed, but you could double your dose of deca for the first week.

[mr newbreed]

sust contains short esters so frontloading it is not needed, but you could double your dose of deca for the first week.

cheers bro

[BuffBuffalo]

This thread is amazing. I've learned A LOT!!!

[rodgerj]

Yes great thread but I think I will skip this method for my first cycle so I can see what my reaction to TEST is like. You never know.

[shifty_git]

loads of good info in here - ganna use test and tren e in my text cycle and am really considering frontloading!

[MrTAME]

Bump...I have been following this thread for a long time now...its great.

[auslifta]

bump, due for it