Sigmund, I agree with some of what you have said, but I have a question regarding needing more gear to create an effect b/c of an increase in bodyweight. You essentially said that it is not a build up of a tolerance to AS, but rather bodyweight that is requiring the higher doses. In other words the original dose of (hypothetically) 250 mgs of Sus would no longer be effective b/c of the increased body mass. If that were solely the case, then I would think that Scooby's friend would gain a heck of alot more than the 25lbs I did since his body weight is 100lbs less than mine was at the time of my cycle. So, seems like this guy could gain 30-35 pounds on 500mg/week.

I have seen guys gain nearly 40 pounds on a cycle. They started out looking like Flex Wheeler in competition form, and ended up looking like Lee Priest in his off season. So, 40 lbs is certainly doable. But why put on 20 pounds of fat just to get 40 lbs? Why not put on 20 pounds of muscle and leave the fat off? We all know he would look a hell of alot bigger (and better) at 180lbs and ripped, than at 200lbs and fat.

The other problem I have with throwing a newbie on 1000mg/week of test is that it's impossible to tell if this guy is prone to get bitch tits. Some people just look at test and go up a cup size. Maybe this guy is like that, and 1000mg/week of Sus is certainly going to cause a bit more of a problem than 500. True, you mentioned that sides won't be much more if precautions are taken, but if the guy can put on 25 lbs of muscle at half the dose (and cost), why not just do that?

One more question, Sigmund. And I am asking this as a genuine question b/c I am admittedly undecided about the whole upregulation/saturation debate. My first cycles were all very light b/c of a fear of sides. I now know that I am one of the lucky ones who gets almost no sides even when taking 1600mg/week of test, 3 drol/day, and 800mg/week of Deca. I have discounted the saturation effect b/c I agreed more with your statements about it being a bit absurd to build up a weird tolerance for AS. However, after having been mostly "on" test for the past year, I have reached a plateu at 290 lbs. I was 290lbs when I was maintaining with a maintenance dose of 750mg/week of test, and I was still 290lbs. after 5 weeks of 1600mg/week of T400, 3 drol/day, and 800mg/week of Deca. I will admit that I might have lost 5 lbs of fat while gaining 5 lbs of muscle, but this would seem to suggest that I have indeed built up some sort of tolerance or oversaturation to AS. Test in particular. I have decided to take some time off, and hit the hcg/anti-e. But, why would you guess, given your hypothesis, that I did not gain anything on the last "cycle" I took? And yes, my diet and training are thoroughly thought out. Thanks for your input.