You're right Improving, but man just a pain in the azz to remember to take 3000 pills or drink 12 glasses a day to load. Then you piss like a like a elephant. I was really hoping someone will tell me that you can take creatine and it will do the same without loading, but I have read studys that say that it doesn't do anything without loading it. I know you said that in the last post, but has anyone had gains directly from Creatine without loading? just takin it by itself? If so how much a day, without taking 30 thousand pills. I think Billy said he uses it off and on, but don't know if he directly benefits from it. One thing I have to give loading creatine, it makes you pumped even the next day after you have worked the muscle. Thaks for the info Improving.