I have no idea why pitchers take winny because that can be hell on the joints and thats the last thing you need. and yet that all you hear is track and baseball players getting caught with winny. I mean i can see getting caught with deca cause it can be detected for 18 months. i cant say that juice will even help you with pitching i mean did you think your fastball is gonna go from 85 to 95 in a few weeks??