prop eod important

[auslifta]

you say your a boxer and are on tren, good luck running out of puff after 30sec, you sound very childish in your replies to me.
Over anything women go for confidence without being arrogant. Being ripped will only get you so far with a small % of women. I know really skinny guys that have diffrent women all the time, and other guys that are sub 10% bf 200lbs that struggle with women.
You came e for advice and got it, how did this turn into 'i pull so much skirt'
BTW if i were to do prop it would be every day injections

[randal19]

the tren kills my cardio...But I am not fighting again for 5 months.......I know whar women go for...confidence..sense of humour....witty....anyways...I just mentioed that suz I was getting attacked verbally a bit by a few.......I just spoke the truth...we wll do gear for different reasons......by the way when I gotn uo to 230 it was cuz I let the finiest Brazilian bomshell go back to her country without a fight....So I got depressed and went from 195 to 230...Ok....I will run the prop eod...m/w/f/s......but the tren is it really worth to raise to 400 also to equal the tren??? The whole test enanthate was just some sleazy dealer trying to get me to switch...I took all your advice and put it in my regimen....By the way ...if my diet is not good then what is???????????? I dont want to be 200.....if u knew me its not my best look

[randal19]

tell me andf6969 what should I be eating then....I thought that diet was pretty good at cutting...NO BULK

[cstrong]

yah but with a body that looks great....Women say they like my body and always want to grab my stomach....Now I give 2 F*cks about the balding dude who is 6'1 270.....His heart will be giving out soon......and what I notice is males staring at him like "damn..his big"...While I got the hot Brazilian eying me up and down with those f&ck me eyes......Unless u like men I would stick with the leaner look....all muscle...no fat....food 4 thought

hes 19

[randal19]

you got it..im 19...dumb a##'....I wish I was 19...being 30 is no fun...well a little

[rock75]

you got it..im 19...dumb a##'....I wish I was 19...being 30 is no fun...well a little

sorry bro but i'm 32 and everyone I know that is my age is not as superficial as you portray yourself to be. the mentality you have shows you are not 30 but nice try.

[randal19]

Im actually the trainer for randal19....he is 30 and I am ACE and NASM certified I also hold a bachelors in science....Lemme assure you that it doesn't make professional on gear. I think its funny how none of you guys even asked what his goal was from the beginning. He asked a question and got flamed for it by you guys who take pride on your knowlege with gear. Lemme first as out of all of you....does anyone compete in bodybuilding at all? If you do....on a national level? If I heard it one I heard it a million times...you guys sound like people who are gurus of the sport and science but don't feel like going through what it takes to get on stage. Or some of you do get on stage....in any case Being a national level compeditor I haven't heard of any of you. For a first cycle in years at thirty....I would think that randal19 has some of the best drugs money could buy and has put together something that nost of you haven't touched untill your fifth year into training. How can you flame someone who is running 6 ius of somatropin taking a great inhibitor...the best androgen...and two of the highest regarded cutting drugs. Being a compeditor I know that if randal19 has to take his prop mwf rather than strickly eod...it doesn't ***in matter. How many people especially after the DEA bust can come through with that "tight" of gear cycle...turn around and tell you people who are on their 100th cycle that he is coming across almost 0 sides? Look at the goal people...you are too worried about the ester splits and what number cycle your on than to realize he is eating clean and training his ass off....and let me remind you....getting closer to his goal daily. I come across so many anal gear heads and what happens is they stay the same and my people grow or lose....depending on the goal. If you wanna chat more or look at who has done what you can hit me up on my site....just google ted voight and you can contact me cause some of you need to put the gear book down and get somethin done.

[Big]

in any case Being a national level compeditor I haven't heard of any of you

How would you know if you've heard of us? Do you think we would use our screen names on stage? Not that I compete, but I know some here do.

[Merc..]

Im actually the trainer for randal19....he is 30 and I am ACE and NASM certified I also hold a bachelors in science....Lemme assure you that it doesn't make professional on gear. I think its funny how none of you guys even asked what his goal was from the beginning. He asked a question and got flamed for it by you guys who take pride on your knowlege with gear. Lemme first as out of all of you....does anyone compete in bodybuilding at all? If you do....on a national level? If I heard it one I heard it a million times...you guys sound like people who are gurus of the sport and science but don't feel like going through what it takes to get on stage. Or some of you do get on stage....in any case Being a national level compeditor I haven't heard of any of you. For a first cycle in years at thirty....I would think that randal19 has some of the best drugs money could buy and has put together something that nost of you haven't touched untill your fifth year into training. How can you flame someone who is running 6 ius of somatropin taking a great inhibitor...the best androgen...and two of the highest regarded cutting drugs. Being a compeditor I know that if randal19 has to take his prop mwf rather than strickly eod...it doesn't ***in matter. How many people especially after the DEA bust can come through with that "tight" of gear cycle...turn around and tell you people who are on their 100th cycle that he is coming across almost 0 sides? Look at the goal people...you are too worried about the ester splits and what number cycle your on than to realize he is eating clean and training his ass off....and let me remind you....getting closer to his goal daily. I come across so many anal gear heads and what happens is they stay the same and my people grow or lose....depending on the goal. If you wanna chat more or look at who has done what you can hit me up on my site....just google ted voight and you can contact me cause some of you need to put the gear book down and get somethin done.

Testosterone Propionate Substance: Testosterone Propionate
Description; Dose; Brand Name: Testosterone Propionate; 100 mg/cc;

Testosterone propionate, after Testosterone cypionate and enanthate, is the third injectable testosterone ester that needs to be described in detail. This makes sense because, unlike cypionate and enanthate, both of which are widely used and well-spread in Europe, proprionate is little noticed by most athletes. The reader will now certainly pose the question of why the characteristics of an apparently rarely used substance are described in detail. At a first glance this might seem a little unusual but when looking at this substance more closely, there are several reasons that become clear. Testosterone propionate is used on so few occasions in weightlifting, powerlifting, and bodybuild-ing not because it is ineffective. On the contrary, most do not know about propionate and its application potential. One acts according to the mottos "what you don't know won't hurt you" and "If oth-ers don't use, it can't be any good." We do not want to go this far and call propionate the most effective testosterone ester-, however, in certain applications it is superior to enanthate, cypionate, and also undecanoate because it has characteristics which the common test-osterones do not have.

The main difference between propionate, cypionate, and enanthate is the respective duration of effect. In contrast to the long-acting enanthate and cypionate depot steroids, propionate has a distinctly lower duration of effect. The reader learns how long this time is from the package insert of the German Jenapharm GmbH for their compound "Testosteron Jenapharm" (see list with trade 'names): "Testosterone proprionate has a duration of effect of I to 2 days." An eye-catching difference, however, is that the athlete "draws" distinctly less water with propionate and visibly lower water retention occurs. Since propionate is quickly effective, often after only one or two days, the athlete experiences an increase of his training energy, a better pump, an increased appe-tite, and a slight strength gain. As an initial dose most athletes pre-fer a 50-100 mg injection. This offers two options: First, because of the rapid initial effect of the propionate-ester one can initiate a sev-eral-week-long steroid treatment with Testosterone enanthate. Those who cannot wait until the depot steroids become effective inject 250 mg of Testosterone enanthate and 50 mg of Testosterone propionate at the beginning of the treatment. After two days, when the effect of the propionates decreases, another 50 mg ampule is injected. Two days after that, the elevated testosterone level caused by the propi-onate begins to decrease. By that time, the effect of the enanthates in the body would be present; no further propionate injections would be necessary. Thus the athlete rapidly reaches and maintains a high testosterone level for a long time due to the depot testo. This, for example, is important for athletes who with Anadrol 50 over the six-week treatment have gained several pounds and would now like to switch to testosterone. Since Anadrol 50 begins its "breakdown" shortly after use of the compound is discontinued, a fast and el-evated testosterone level is desirable.

The second option is to take propionate during the entire period of intake. This, however, requires a periodic injection every second day. Best results can be obtained with 50-100 mg per day or every sec-ond day. The athlete, as already mentioned, will experience visibly lower water retention than with the depot testosterones so that propionate is well-liked by bodybuilders who easily draw water with enanthate. A good stack for gaining muscle mass would be, for example, 100 mg Testosterone propionate every 2 days, 5p mg Winstrol Depot every 2 days, and 30 mg Dianabol/day. Propionate is mainly used in the preparation for a competition and used by female athletes. And in this phase, dieting is often combined with, testosterone to maintain muscle mass and muscle density at their maximum. Propionate has always proven effective in this regard since it fulfills these requirements while lowering possible water re-tention. This water retention can be tempered by using Nolvadex and Proviron. A combination of 100 mg Testosterone propionate every 2 days, either 50 mg Winstrol Depot/day or 76 mg Parabolan every 2 days, and 25 mg Oxandrolone/day help achieve this goal and are suitable for building up "quality muscles."

Women especially like propionate since, when applied properly, an-drogenic-caused side effects can be avoided more easily The trick is to increase the time intervals between the various injections so that the testosterone level can fall again and so there is an accumulation of androgens in the female organism. Women therefore take propi-onate only every 5-7 days and obtain remarkable results with it. The, androgenic effect included in the propionate allows better re-generation without virilization symptoms for hard-training women. The dosage is usually 25-50 mg/injection. Higher dosages and more frequent intervals of intake would certainly show even better re-sults but are not recommended for women. The duration of intake should not exceed 8-10 weeks and can be supplemented by taking mild and mostly anabolic steroids such as, for example, Primobolan, Durabolin, and Anadur in order to promote the synthesis of pro-tein. Men who do not fear the intake of testosterone or the possible side effects should go ahead and give propionate a try. The side effects of propionate are usually less frequent and are less pronounced. The reason is that the weekly dose of propionate is usually much lower than with depot testosterones. A daily injection of 50 mg amounts to a weekly dose of 350 mg while several depot injections easily launch the milligram content of testosterone into the four-figure range. When compared with enanthate and cypionate, pro-pionate is also a "milder" substance and thus better tolerated in the body. Those who are convinced that they need daily testosterone injections should consider taking propionate. The key to suc-cess with propionate lies in the regular intake of relatively small quantities (50-100 mg every 1-2 days.)
Although the side effects of propionate are similar to the ones of enanthate and cypionate these, as already mentioned, occur less fre-quently. However, if there is a predisposition and very high dosages are taken, the known androgenic-linked side effects such as acne vulgaris, accelerated hair loss, and increased growth of body hair and deep voice can occur. An increased libido is common both in men and women with the use of propionate. Despite the high conversion rate of propionate into estrogen gynecomastia is less common than with other testosterones. The same is true for possible water reten-tion since the retention of electrolytes and water is less pronounced. The administration of testosterone-stimulating compounds such as HCG and Clomid can, however, also be advised with propionate use since it has a strong influence on the hypothalamohypophysial tes-ticular axis, suppressing the endogenous hormone production. The toxic influence on the liver is minimal so that a liver damage is unlikely (see also Testosterone enanthate). What athletes dislike most about propionate are the frequent injections that are necessary.

[Merc..]

Also I am on HRT and have used prop for many years .. Its best to use prop ED or EOD !!!!


Merc.

[AandF6969]

tell me andf6969 what should I be eating then....I thought that diet was pretty good at cutting...NO BULK

Check the threads at the top of the diet forum, especially the "how to cut" sample.

Are you doing any cardio?

[randal19]

i was injured at my union job...I can barely walk...But I still lift....How woul

[Merc..]

i was injured at my union job...I can barely walk...But I still lift....How woul

HMMMMM

[goin on 4T]

Merc. I am with you and read the same thing about Prop. that is why ED is the right way! EOD is just a second option...

[rock75]

Im actually the trainer for randal19....he is 30 and I am ACE and NASM certified I also hold a bachelors in science....Lemme assure you that it doesn't make professional on gear. I think its funny how none of you guys even asked what his goal was from the beginning. He asked a question and got flamed for it by you guys who take pride on your knowlege with gear. Lemme first as out of all of you....does anyone compete in bodybuilding at all? If you do....on a national level? If I heard it one I heard it a million times...you guys sound like people who are gurus of the sport and science but don't feel like going through what it takes to get on stage. Or some of you do get on stage....in any case Being a national level compeditor I haven't heard of any of you. For a first cycle in years at thirty....I would think that randal19 has some of the best drugs money could buy and has put together something that nost of you haven't touched untill your fifth year into training. How can you flame someone who is running 6 ius of somatropin taking a great inhibitor...the best androgen...and two of the highest regarded cutting drugs. Being a compeditor I know that if randal19 has to take his prop mwf rather than strickly eod...it doesn't ***in matter. How many people especially after the DEA bust can come through with that "tight" of gear cycle...turn around and tell you people who are on their 100th cycle that he is coming across almost 0 sides? Look at the goal people...you are too worried about the ester splits and what number cycle your on than to realize he is eating clean and training his ass off....and let me remind you....getting closer to his goal daily. I come across so many anal gear heads and what happens is they stay the same and my people grow or lose....depending on the goal. If you wanna chat more or look at who has done what you can hit me up on my site....just google ted voight and you can contact me cause some of you need to put the gear book down and get somethin done.

For someone as smart as you; you should know lemme is not word; it is properly spelled let me

[rock75]

i was injured at my union job...I can barely walk...But I still lift....How woul

there are three basic exercises that add over all mass

flat bench; squats and dead lifts -

seeing as you can't walk that obviously eliminates two of those and any leg work which means you must only do upper body and no legs which at any rate you would be cutting yourself short of any real strength or size gains;

all of this should have been shared with you by your brilliant trainer

[Raven88]

i was injured at my union job...I can barely walk...But I still lift....How woul

[randal19]

My knee is messsd up...but he got me doing legs......My calfs are insane...But all I got left is my quads,,,but like I said.......When I get better I box and play ball....SO some of those leg workouts mess with my agility...ANd dude.....Real mature with the while "lemme" stuff.......its called slang...and yes I am half hispanic so I know slang well....Besides all that......Pu55y is what I am going for......not titles like my insane trainer

[goin on 4T]

Besides all that......Pu55y is what I am going for......not titles like my insane trainer

So you are paying a trainer to help you get pu55y?
Wow why don't you just give your money to the pu55y?

[Kratos]

I know some fat bastards that get laid just fine.
Que rocky music, end mantage with chick entering apartment.
I think you are focusing too much on the physical when it comes to women.
Anyway at 28 I am already caring less about how long I can fight the odds at contracting herpies, and more on finding a girl I want to be with.

[Raven88]

Anyway at 28 I am already caring less about how long I can fight the odds at contracting herpies, and more on finding a girl I want to be with.

You know it mate!

At 29, I've settled with the right one for the last 3+ years now. My poon-chasing days are over and I'm happy to be with the one I'm with now and from here out.

As you said, I'm lucky to not contracted anything in my haydays. This guy is way too conscientious about his physical appearance giving him the ability to get laid, mean while, his personality is what I think will bite him in the ass in the end...seems way too arrogant to land a genuinely good women in the long run.

Good luck randal19.

[randal19]

appreciate all feedback....And bottom line is we all have no idea who we are...what we are about....or been through...except for the tiny window of info we let loose in these threads......As far as the poon tang goes.....I met this nice Columbian girl 3 weeks ago and have been chillin with her everyday since.....We will see if she can keep my interest...or maybe if I can keep her interested....mentally and physically....By the way....I was born 3-19-1977...And My back is messed up bad...Alot of the posts I made were when I was taking codeine I was prescribed and valium.......I actually had blackouts....Oh.....I got my bf tested....8.5%.......I had 2 people do it...one said 7% and one said 9%...And yes they pinched the 3 major spots....Peace everyone

[sphincter]

Your back is messed up bad? I thought it was your knee? I have been on fentanyl, morphine, norco, vicodin, skelaxin, OC, oxycodone, and countless others over the past 2 years and I've been nowhere NEAR the assmunch you've been in this thread. You've attacked those trying to help you all the while giving contradictory and weird information...

[randal19]

knee is fried to....but just physical therapy........right knee and my l4 and l3 in my back are screwed

[sphincter]

good luck with your training bro.

[stitch1967]

I can't believe the rant caused over MWF shot of prop....It is clear that ED is best and a 2nd option is EOD. But if you look at the big picture he's basically only missing a 1/2 shot a week since EOD would be 3 shots one week then 4 the next.

I realize you VETs are hear to coach people in the correct way to do gear, but this seems a little on the narrow minded side. It's not like he's asking about the old winny-only cycle flame-magnet or does he really need PCT.

At some point I believe you have to just say....It's better to inject ED or EOD but if it's working for you then OK.

The switching to enan or cyp for the last shot....now that's worth a flame.

[randal19]

I agree....That is why I came here for the advice cuz someone who I thought was fairly knowledgeable told me to do this so I knew the best place to come was here...I am doing eod now by the way...And I cant believe how this gear has transformed my body.....It is kinda scary.....In a good way though ya know? once again thanks everyone for all comments...And anyone who plamed me I might have deserved it and maybe not.....but who cares....peace everyone

[BOUNCER 01]

Winny is popular were i live