You want the Gov to stay out of your business? Want to make Gear legal?

[3bd]

how old are you convalesence?

[Logan13]

RonPaul2008.com
Border Security and Immigration Reform
The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

[billybambam]

RonPaul2008.com
Border Security and Immigration Reform
The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

Big 10-4!
I agree 100%

[convalescence69]

Big 10-4!
I agree 100%

See, even more of a reason to like him!

[Logan13]

how old are you convalesence?

Young enough to vote for a guy simply because he will legalize his rec. drugs........

[convalescence69]

Young enough to vote for a guy simply because he will legalize his rec. drugs........

I think you are oversimplifying the situation, and are doing so in a disrespectful way. I do not use recreational drugs (pot, etc), but I also don't think I have the right to tell you that you can't. I don't think its right that our government is codemning good people to get ass raped in jail because they want to try out t-bol.
The purpose of making the post was to bring a level of awareness of the issues and how they can be changed to a group of people that could be positively affected by that change, and have the ability to influence that change.
I didn't make the post "Vote Ron Paul because he will build a wall on the border with Mexico", that would be a foolish opener because it doesn't apply to the subject or nature of this forum. What concerns the people here is that they are forced to be affraid of the authorities and the consequences of being caught purchasing and using substances that in reality should be totally within their rights to use. I own my body, not the government, I can do what I want to it, and I can put in it what i want.
Consider the attitude towards guns. Some people think because a guy was murdered with a gun then guns should be banned. That is idiotic. A person killed another person, the gun was just an implement. What if he used a rock? Ban rocks? Steroids are the same, if someone OD's or an incident like the Benoit situation happens, it wasn't the steroids that killed the people, it was the people involved making poor decisions that did the killing.
Saying I want to vote for Ron Paul "simply" because he will legalize my rec. drugs is idiotic and insulting and narrows the scope of his argument and does a disservice to yourself. If you bothered to read the thread, his other views and attitudes are, if enacted, extremely beneficial.
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Regarding the argument that he is meant to split the conservative vote.... I already refuted this argument. Ron Paul is not a third party candidate, and has no intention to run as a third party candidate for President if he is not nominated as the republican candidate for the presidency. There is no splitting of the vote. Ron Paul needs your votes for the Primary first.
Ross Perot ran as a third party candidate in the Reform Party, this DID affect the two other parties by subtracting votes from their base, in effect "splitting" the vote, as you say, however, that is not the case here with Ron Paul. Ron Paul is attempting to get the Republican nomination, if he is successful there will be just 2 candidates, as usual, with Ron Paul vs probably Hillary Clinton. No splitting of the vote.

[thegodfather]

I think you are oversimplifying the situation, and are doing so in a disrespectful way. I do not use recreational drugs (pot, etc), but I also don't think I have the right to tell you that you can't. I don't think its right that our government is codemning good people to get ass raped in jail because they want to try out t-bol.
The purpose of making the post was to bring a level of awareness of the issues and how they can be changed to a group of people that could be positively affected by that change, and have the ability to influence that change.
I didn't make the post "Vote Ron Paul because he will build a wall on the border with Mexico", that would be a foolish opener because it doesn't apply to the subject or nature of this forum.
Your right it doesnt apply here. But I do think it is a very valid point, because I dont believe any person should be REWARDED for breaking our laws. I also dont believe they should be entitled to any of the services which we pay taxes for, when they contribute nothing. I agree with every point Ron Paul has on immigration, end the birthwright citizenship, no wellfare or free education for illegal immigrants, and deport all current illegal immigrants. These people do not have ANY rights in this country, because they are not citizens, and they are not here legally.
What concerns the people here is that they are forced to be affraid of the authorities and the consequences of being caught purchasing and using substances that in reality should be totally within their rights to use. I own my body, not the government, I can do what I want to it, and I can put in it what i want.
Consider the attitude towards guns. Some people think because a guy was murdered with a gun then guns should be banned. That is idiotic. A person killed another person, the gun was just an implement.
Agree 100%, as I pointed out earlier, 1,000,000 Rawandans were killed with MACHEDES.
What if he used a rock? Ban rocks? Steroids are the same, if someone OD's or an incident like the Benoit situation happens, it wasn't the steroids that killed the people, it was the people involved making poor decisions that did the killing.
Saying I want to vote for Ron Paul "simply" because he will legalize my rec. drugs is idiotic and insulting and narrows the scope of his argument and does a disservice to yourself. If you bothered to read the thread, his other views and attitudes are, if enacted, extremely beneficial.
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Regarding the argument that he is meant to split the conservative vote.... I already refuted this argument. Ron Paul is not a third party candidate, and has no intention to run as a third party candidate for President if he is not nominated as the republican candidate for the presidency. There is no splitting of the vote. Ron Paul needs your votes for the Primary first.
Ross Perot ran as a third party candidate in the Reform Party, this DID affect the two other parties by subtracting votes from their base, in effect "splitting" the vote, as you say, however, that is not the case here with Ron Paul. Ron Paul is attempting to get the Republican nomination, if he is successful there will be just 2 candidates, as usual, with Ron Paul vs probably Hillary Clinton. No splitting of the vote.

Excellent post. I believe Mr.Paul isn't going to run as a 3rd party for that very reason, that if he doesnt win he would at least like to see a Republican have a shot. Honestly, I am not happy with Bush at all. However, Hillary Clinton is proposing over 700 BILLION dollars in social programs, that you and I are going to have to pay for. Honestly, I dont want to pay for some ghetto mom who wont stop poppin out kids like a damn vending machine, to continue to pop out kids like a vending machine, and be a lazy piece of shit and not work. END THE WELLFARE STATE!...Wellfare is one of the worst things thats ever happened to this country. Its so bad that they even rap about it in rap songs, "Government cheese." These people are taking advantage of the system set up with good intentions to help people really bad off. Remember the rapper ODB? He was pulling up to the place to get food stamps, IN HIS LIMO. People like that need to get a slug in the head.

[Logan13]

I think you are oversimplifying the situation, and are doing so in a disrespectful way. I do not use recreational drugs (pot, etc), but I also don't think I have the right to tell you that you can't. I don't think its right that our government is codemning good people to get ass raped in jail because they want to try out t-bol.
The purpose of making the post was to bring a level of awareness of the issues and how they can be changed to a group of people that could be positively affected by that change, and have the ability to influence that change.
I didn't make the post "Vote Ron Paul because he will build a wall on the border with Mexico", that would be a foolish opener because it doesn't apply to the subject or nature of this forum. What concerns the people here is that they are forced to be affraid of the authorities and the consequences of being caught purchasing and using substances that in reality should be totally within their rights to use. I own my body, not the government, I can do what I want to it, and I can put in it what i want.
Consider the attitude towards guns. Some people think because a guy was murdered with a gun then guns should be banned. That is idiotic. A person killed another person, the gun was just an implement. What if he used a rock? Ban rocks? Steroids are the same, if someone OD's or an incident like the Benoit situation happens, it wasn't the steroids that killed the people, it was the people involved making poor decisions that did the killing.
Saying I want to vote for Ron Paul "simply" because he will legalize my rec. drugs is idiotic and insulting and narrows the scope of his argument and does a disservice to yourself. If you bothered to read the thread, his other views and attitudes are, if enacted, extremely beneficial.
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Regarding the argument that he is meant to split the conservative vote.... I already refuted this argument. Ron Paul is not a third party candidate, and has no intention to run as a third party candidate for President if he is not nominated as the republican candidate for the presidency. There is no splitting of the vote. Ron Paul needs your votes for the Primary first.
Ross Perot ran as a third party candidate in the Reform Party, this DID affect the two other parties by subtracting votes from their base, in effect "splitting" the vote, as you say, however, that is not the case here with Ron Paul. Ron Paul is attempting to get the Republican nomination, if he is successful there will be just 2 candidates, as usual, with Ron Paul vs probably Hillary Clinton. No splitting of the vote.

I am not a fan of pot-heads getting 5-10 years in prison, no more than I am a fan of AAS being classified as a controlled substance. But nominating Ron Paul to the Preseidency will not change these laws. It is Congress that mandates the sentencing guidelines, not the President. I was a fan of Perot and I do like some of Paul's conservative stances, but he will never get the nomination. If he runs on a third party ticket, he will indeed takes some votes away.

[convalescence69]

I am not a fan of pot-heads getting 5-10 years in prison, no more than I am a fan of AAS being classified as a controlled substance. But nominating Ron Paul to the Preseidency will not change these laws. It is Congress that mandates the sentencing guidelines, not the President. I was a fan of Perot and I do like some of Paul's conservative stances, but he will never get the nomination. If he runs on a third party ticket, he will indeed takes some votes away.

Gotta have some optimism. An attitude like that, if it were embraced by everyone, we might as well put on the shackles now and give up.
Look at his Straw Poll results vs the other republican candidates :

Ron Paul's Head-to-Head Straw Poll Records (Win-Lose-Tie):
Ron Paul v. Rudy Giuliani 31-5-0
Ron Paul v. Mitt Romney 24-12-0
Ron Paul v. Fred Thompson 21-14-0
Ron Paul v. John McCain 32-3-0
Ron Paul v. Mike Huckabee 30-4-1
Ron Paul v. Sam Brownback 32-2-1
Ron Paul v. Tom Tancredo 33-1-0
Ron Paul v. Duncan Hunter 32-2-0
This is no BS, these are the real results. HE CAN WIN. The other jerkoffs that stand to lose their asses if he gets in just want you to think he's got no chance.

[Logan13]

Gotta have some optimism. An attitude like that, if it were embraced by everyone, we might as well put on the shackles now and give up.
Look at his Straw Poll results vs the other republican candidates :

Ron Paul's Head-to-Head Straw Poll Records (Win-Lose-Tie):
Ron Paul v. Rudy Giuliani 31-5-0
Ron Paul v. Mitt Romney 24-12-0
Ron Paul v. Fred Thompson 21-14-0
Ron Paul v. John McCain 32-3-0
Ron Paul v. Mike Huckabee 30-4-1
Ron Paul v. Sam Brownback 32-2-1
Ron Paul v. Tom Tancredo 33-1-0
Ron Paul v. Duncan Hunter 32-2-0
This is no BS, these are the real results. HE CAN WIN. The other jerkoffs that stand to lose their asses if he gets in just want you to think he's got no chance.

straw votes, seriously?

[convalescence69]

straw votes, seriously?

Here's a link to the definition of what a straw poll is and why they matter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_Poll
And yes he is winning them, consistently. Check http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/ to see the official results.
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And concerning goaheadandhitme's posts on the Guy From Boston, looks like The Guy From Boston doesn't like mexican immigration either http://www.theguyfromboston.com/play...eo=yPEr3LSr4pA pretty funny in a serious sort of way.

[Dobie-BOY]

good to see that someone else contemplates the things that really matter today. So many people go through life like cows. Walking around with their head in the dirt, following the heard and never taking the time to look up to see whats going on around them. Glad to hear some of us on here can stop chewin grass long enough to see were all headed for the slaughter house if we dont ban together and tear down the pasture fences built by politicians.