What would you do? NFL

[get it done]

Im just finishing up my senior season of D1 college football. Been getting some interest from NFL teams. I have my pro day at the end of March 2008, and I would have too report too a NFL mini camp first week of May 2008 if I get picked up. I was looking to run a short effective cycle so I can put up better numbers at the pro day, "BUT" it needs to be out my system by the begining of May.

Thinking of running Test Suspension and Winstrol pills?
"possible cycle" Febuary-March
week 1-8 Test Supension
Week 5-8 Winstrol Pills
not sure about how many mgs too run or my PCT im sure it will be clomid

DE/LB 6'3 252 13%bf
225: 25 REPS
40YD: 4.71/4.69
VERTICAL: 33"

Looking to improve these numbers, but also be safe about the detection time! Looking at the detection times on the home page, I think I can do it. Just wanted to get everyones professional opinon!

Thank You.

[dupa95]

Why the winny

[get it done]

Because I was thinking the Winnie would help me with my speed and agility, but also help me cut down on the bulk the suspension possibly put on. I would like to be 255-260.
This is all about having better numbers for my Pro Day. Ill be tranning with other NFL prospects and eating correctly. So the workouts and dieting is not the issue im very discipline. Why do you think winnie is a bad choice?

I do appreciate your opinon

[duramaxedge]

I like the winny.. suspension is a lot of shooting man.. Look into the detection time of Test Prop Just look at the steroid profiles page.. it has detection times I think.. I know it has half life times

[blue_reddon]

I think you are on the right track with the cycle you want to do. Test Suspension is very powerful, and you notice changes in your body at a very rapid pace. But the good thing about Suspension is that it is so quick acting that it will also leave your body very quickly. Throwing in some Winstrol would also be good to your cycle, but you will have to check how long it stays in your system.

[Lexed]

I would rather do the prop first less bloat and way less injections Gl man if you make the NFL. If by some chance you become a Philadelphia EAgle LET ME KNOW lol

[IMBIGRU]

test, d-bol, anadrol50 , deca, eq..... do tons of cardio and footwork stuff everyday,,, go join a boxing gym....... box,,,, then we u egt a contract do tons of HGH and the clear!!!!

[IMBIGRU]

winny is a wast of money for a strength athelets.... are u getting ready for a drug test?? test suspension and winny would be easy to get out of your system

[damiongage]

the NFL is alot too risk if you get caught....just food for thought

[IMBIGRU]

also 225 for 25 on bench??? this is really weak... you should be doing 315 fro 25 or 30 wei***ng 250... My roommate from college went to a combine they had at the D3 college probowl and he did 390 for 12 reps at 245lbs bodyweight... he was a middle lb

[damiongage]

also 225 for 25 on bench??? this is really weak... you should be doing 315 fro 25 or 30 wei***ng 250... My roommate from college went to a combine they had at the D3 college probowl and he did 390 for 12 reps at 245lbs bodyweight... he was a middle lb

NFL test is with 225...and there is a huge difference in 12 and 25.....

[get it done]

nobody said i was the strongest player, but i did make first team all confrence in a major confrence. My numbers right now compare pretty well with the LB's from the NFL combine over the last 4 years. Im just looking to approve them.

Too everyone I sincearly appreciate your opinons, please feel free to help out

[topnotch]

I had a good friend who went to the atlanta falcons combine a few years back and he was the 2nd strongest there w/ 32 reps on 225...the strongest only had 33...

[get it done]

I have friends in the NFL and Im pretty confident on my strength and athletic ability. If I rep out 28-30 and run low 4.6's that would put me in the upper class. Yea you do have your freaks that throw up crazy numbers every now and than. But I'll be and good shape if I can achieve these goals. Quick story I have a friend never used AS in his life, clean as can be, he one repped 605 with no shirt (football players dont use shirts fyi) totally raw, but he repped 225 like 33 reps. Its funny how the body works.

[get it done]

Sorry kind of getting of track here. So what do you guys think about my cycle and the goals im trying to acheive, with keeping the Detection times in mind.

For example: Test Suspension says detection time is 3 days, no matter how many mgs i do during my cycle, no matter if i did 400mgs or 700mgs, the detection times will be the same or would i have to give it more time becasue I did 700mgs and it is more mgs in my body?

What would you run if you was in this postion?

[IntenseAthlete]

test prop will give more bang with less sides.Winstrol sounds like an ok oral to add. Maybe if you could afford anvar with some creatine your gains would be more permanent with less sides.Im also an athlete,(top ranked last year) so keep in mind strength to power ratio and forget mass.Think strength/power/speed!!!Not to say a liitle mass would hurt but if they are rating on those stats you have listed then following a bodybuilder protocol is going to scew you.Remeber about 2 weeks into your cycle you will be able to train more and recover faster but dont over do it.

My cycle for you

75 mgs EOD TEST PROP 1-8 weeks or if you inject everday lets say 35mgs
25 mgs Winny ED 4-8 weeks, athletes can benifit from a smaller dose with less sides
novla/hcg, post guys please post for exact dosage but i think 5000 iu hcg 250 mg ED for 20 twenty days and a staggering low dose of novla would be perfect.Other anti-e's like clomid and many others hinder strength gains but at these doses you shouldnt need on cycle
Good Luck
Jonny

[get it done]

Jonny,

Do you think the Test Prop (oil) will be out my system that quickly. Im looking too start Febuary-March 8 weeks. I would be getting tested early May. So I have 5 weeks to get everything out my system? And can you explain my PCT a lil more too me? Oh and I cant afforad Hgh, Wish I could!

Thanks

[IntenseAthlete]

HCG not HGH it helps kick you testicals back into gear without losing gains,PCT read the Athony Roberts thread on it then your understanding should be more clear, its long but read it!5 weeks will be fine on the prop and the winny but you might check into the novla not sure.Hcg is out of your system in a couple of hours so its also fine.Read and maybe ask about dectection time on novla on another thread since this is a raw topic.

[get it done]

I will read it thanks alot! Do you know how to take HCG? And can it be taken alone if I cant take the nolva?

I appreciate everything jonny

[J*U*icEd]

also 225 for 25 on bench??? this is really weak... you should be doing 315 fro 25 or 30 wei***ng 250... My roommate from college went to a combine they had at the D3 college probowl and he did 390 for 12 reps at 245lbs bodyweight... he was a middle lb

they test your strength and muscular endurace using 225 and see how many times you can rep it out...

[IntenseAthlete]

hcg should be injected subQ or IM doesnt matter with a slin pin 250 iu ED...I have used alone but I think it only stimulates while in your system...that being said novla which I believe helps kick you back in permanently...but I need a big gun to weigh in on this one

[J*U*icEd]

hcg should be injected subQ or IM doesnt matter with a slin pin 250 iu ED...I have used alone but I think it only stimulates while in your system...that being said novla which I believe helps kick you back in permanently...but I need a big gun to weigh in on this one

yes HCG only works while in the system and nolva helps bring natty test back to normal levels permenantly....

[IntenseAthlete]

yes HCG only works while in the system and nolva helps bring natty test back to normal levels permenantly....

thats what I thought thanks

[SNUKA]

you could always start with prop and then finish off the last 2 or 3 weeks with suspension this way you dont feel as much as a pin cushion and your detection time will be in check.

also do they test you to see if you took nolva, clomid and AI's I saw them listed on the banned substance lists for the NCAA. I don't know how long the detection times are for those. I dont even know if they even have a test from them. I just saw a poster in the locker room and they showed all the things that were banned.

[get it done]

You know im not sure about my PCT, that is a big concern for me right now. Not sure what too run, or what I can run do too detection times?

[IMBIGRU]

well if you can do 315 for 20 then you should be able to do 225 for 40... to increase muscular indurance you need to do supersets once a week... heavy bench the other day.. like on e day do bench, DB bench, flys, close grip bench, push ups, behind the neck standing press... set up all the excersizes and go do each excersize ... reps from 15 to 25 reps no stop.... take a 10 sec. break and start the next excersize..... The other day do 4 sets of 225 till failure... then on the next bench workout do heavy 1 to 3 reps.... I have trained guys for the college combine/camps and I have trained for rep contest... I had a guy that weighed 160 that did 225 for 30 reps.... seriously i sware... the super sets/circuit training is the key for reps

[juicenchris2989]

I think the cycle jonny said was fine but if your still a little scarred then go with the test suspension the winni is fine about the nolva staying in your system i wouldnt worry that much from what ive read and heard from other longest stays in your system is 72hrs so with 3 or 4 wks your more than fine

[BIGMIKETORR]

You know im not sure about my PCT, that is a big concern for me right now. Not sure what too run, or what I can run do too detection times?

Bro I know your not sure about your PCT right now, but you definitely shouldnt start ANY cycle without having your PCT in place first. Just keep that in mind.

[admirals56]

hey uve heard it all up there so good luck ill be in your position soon but i have the strength need to work on speed.

GOOD LUCK

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Test Prop
Anavar
Clen

[redz]

If I were that far into it and getting a potential shot in the NFL then I would take HGH,winstrol and a short ester Test like prop.

[Z-Ro]

I read a long post awhile back on another board about AAS use for athletes...

I think the D1 track and football atheltes said they normally used:

Test Prop or Enth
Winstrol
Anavar
T3
Tren (could have an effect on your cardio so I would no suggest it)
GH

Things to steer away from:

Eq
Deca

[Samson4]

Get some igf-lr3 and run it through pct. It's undetectable, will lean you out, strengthens joints and connective tissue. Above all else, make sure you are eating right. You don't need a bodybuilders diet but you do need to know what to eat and when to eat it.

[ShadetreeJones]

nobody said i was the strongest player, but i did make first team all confrence in a major confrence. My numbers right now compare pretty well with the LB's from the NFL combine over the last 4 years. Im just looking to approve them.

Too everyone I sincearly appreciate your opinons, please feel free to help out

What conference?

[rock75]

test, d-bol, anadrol50 , deca, eq..... do tons of cardio and footwork stuff everyday,,, go join a boxing gym....... box,,,, then we u egt a contract do tons of HGH and the clear!!!!

bro, I'm sorry and I know that this board has a no flame policy but this one of the dumbest suggestions I have ever read. why in the hell would you recommend him to take DECA which has the longest detection time upwards of 1.5yrs.

Keep your comments to yourself before you screw up this guys future...

[rock75]

yes HCG only works while in the system and nolva helps bring natty test back to normal levels permenantly....

where is the clomid, this is what tells the testicles to actually start producing test again, HCG actaully trick's the testicles in to thinking that they are producing test when they are not which causes them to swell back to normal size, but with this your body will also start producing more estrogen to balance out the perceived production of test, and nolvadex is actually an anti estrogen which was originally produced to help combat breast cancer.

[J*U*icEd]

hcg should be injected subQ or IM doesnt matter with a slin pin 250 iu ED...I have used alone but I think it only stimulates while in your system...that being said novla which I believe helps kick you back in permanently...but I need a big gun to weigh in on this one

where is the clomid, this is what tells the testicles to actually start producing test again, HCG actaully trick's the testicles in to thinking that they are producing test when they are not which causes them to swell back to normal size, but with this your body will also start producing more estrogen to balance out the perceived production of test, and nolvadex is actually an anti estrogen which was originally produced to help combat breast cancer.

ok.. you don't have to tell me all this... i know the extent of everything your talking about... i was just commenting on a comment johnnyserious left above... and actually nolva has endogenous test raising abilities.... and HCG doesn't trick the testes into "thinking" they are producing test... HCG mimics LH (lutenizing hormone), which in turn drops the testes and plums them up...

[IntenseAthlete]

ok.. you don't have to tell me all this... i know the extent of everything your talking about... i was just commenting on a comment johnnyserious left above... and actually nolva has endogenous test raising abilities.... and HCG doesn't trick the testes into "thinking" they are producing test... HCG mimics LH (lutenizing hormone), which in turn drops the testes and plums them up...

thanks again for the back up....... get it done, you will be fine with detection times with the cycle i listed and stay away from clen too.It will mess you up more than it helps.If you have any other questions let me know
Jonny

[topnotch]

i dont know if this would be any good or just completly stupid just a thought...i'm not sure of the actual detection times of all those things, but what if you ran your gear up close to testing time, giving it just enough time to clear your system, then use hcg until after you take your piss test then run a proper pct after that...i'm assuming w/ detection times and all that, that you would only have a couple week lag period...that may be a stupid idea it's just a thought...

[get it done]

I been reading about how uncertain the detection time is for winny. Im nerveous on running it now. Im pretty confident on the test prop. Now Im thinking of running Anavar or Turinbol in stead of the winny tabs? Does anyone know if this will be out my system in 5 weeks?

EX. If I run test prop for 8 weeks @ 200mgs eod / Or 8 weeks @ 100mgs eod. Even though im using double the mgs. Will it take the same time to get out my system?????

and any help with the tbol or anavar question too please?


Thanks