speed/agility

[zummer]

If you are on a steroid cycle and you are doing a lot of
speed/agility work are you going to have more speed/agility after the cycle (that you will keep) than you would doing it naturally and knowing you will keep those gains. The reason i ask this is becuase you lose some of your gains after your cycle so will you lose your speed and agility after your cycle and gain more doing it naturally?

[Barkley9]

bump

[chuckt12345]

dont know but it seems if you stayed with the same workout and diet after your cycle you'd be be faster and more agile than you would of been if you never touched it. Only thing i can think of is joint problems etc

[zummer]

anybody know? bump

[chuckt12345]

anybody know? bump

well zummer dbol wont do any of that btw

[kfrost06]

what gear are you talking about because many will slow you down and and take away your agility

[Barkley9]

not trying to hijack the thread but what about lets say a test cyp compared to a winny

[MuscleScience]

Test made Marion Jones faster, according to Victor Conti. I disagree that test or other steroid compounds would make you slower. Steroids improve some of the contractile properties of the muscle. Which would translate into increase in strength, speed and power. It is simple physics, F=ma....if we call WORK as a measure of displacement then we get W=Fd.... then if we assume power as a measure of how quickly work can be done we use this equation....P=W/t. So if we manipulate all these equations we get this.
P=Ma*d/t we get a equation you can use to calculate how much power your generating.

for example if you weigh 87kg and can accelerate at say .7m/second squared and can travel 100 meters in ten seconds you get something similar to this.

P=87(.7) X 100/10 P= 609 watts. 1 hp= 740 watts so you made .82 horsepower.

So if we know that training and AAS can increase your power output. Then lets say you put on say 3 kg of mass and decrease your 100 meter time by .2 sec and increase acceleration to .75m/sec squared you would need to produce 79 watts more to improve your acceleration and speed. Which as it stands you were making about 7 watts/kg. To account for the increase in mass and acceleration you would need to make 7.64 watts per Kg. Which would bring your power output to around 688 watts.

All of these values are easily to obtain through proper training plus add in the amount of strength and power you would increase with AAS and its no problem at all. To put the power in prospective Lance Armstrong has been documented to produce over 800 watts on dead sprints and can sustain an output of 420-450 watts.

Here is a good article on Lance Armstrong that talks a lot about power production and training.
http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-...r-8-25-1178-1/

BTW my physics is a little rusty so if I miscalculated please correct me. But i think its ok for informative purposes.

[kfrost06]

It's not simple physics. You increase your weight, blood pressure and your size you slow down. If simply getting bigger and stronger made you faster than sprinters would weigh much more and be powerlifters. power does not translate into speed. My motorcycle has about 55 horsepower and I can beat my nieghbors 400 hp mustang

[MuscleScience]

There is a concept called optimal load, were as a combinations of mass and velocity produce a desired output. To much mass and velocity goes down. To little mass and force production decreases. If you plot this relationship out on a graph you would see a bell shaped curve. If you added power to your bike would it not increase in speed and acceleration. Assuming that by adding mass such as a turbo or larger engine that the horsepower to weight ratio doesnt go down. So you see there is a finite amount of mass that you can add to the bike or two a sprinter before it would start to decrease power output.

[MuscleScience]

Another way to express power would be P=Force X Velocity, so these two variables are inversely related to one another. Plug in a bunch of numbers, plot it on a graph and you will see what I am talking about.


P=Ma *(change in X/ change in T)

[perfectbeast2001]

If you used the right compounds and trained for speed and agility and not hypertrophy then you would be ok. If you run gear and train like a BBer you will probably lose speed and agility due to increased muscle mass and water retention.
DHT compounds have often been linked with increases in speed and agility when used by athletes.

[kfrost06]

well put. Ben Johnson used winny to break the world record. DHTs are excellent for that, my only point is some will slow you down others can definitely increase. The right gear along with the right training equals better results.

[IntenseAthlete]

Zummer just pm me, there are a few of us with our own speed/agility regimens that have been proven.

[IntenseAthlete]

If you used the right compounds and trained for speed and agility and not hypertrophy then you would be ok. If you run gear and train like a BBer you will probably lose speed and agility due to increased muscle mass and water retention.
DHT compounds have often been linked with increases in speed and agility when used by athletes.

well stated

[IntenseAthlete]

There is a concept called optimal load, were as a combinations of mass and velocity produce a desired output. To much mass and velocity goes down. To little mass and force production decreases. If you plot this relationship out on a graph you would see a bell shaped curve. If you added power to your bike would it not increase in speed and acceleration. Assuming that by adding mass such as a turbo or larger engine that the horsepower to rate ratio doesnt go down. So you see there is a finite amount of mass that you can add to the bike or two a sprinter before it would start to decrease power output.

MS,

has valid points and proven ones, Im still working on the science part of this but I can say if you increase power while keeping the weight in check.You will make gains!and keep them.