my friend abuses juice!!!! info please!!!

[hobbs9963]

I know a guy that stayed on for 2 years , maybe a little more, but he didn't gain anything after 6-8 months. Was all puffy and shti. He came down hard and kept very little. Your friend should consider himself lucky if he doesn't crash.

[meathead320]

some, note "some" not all, guys can go off without PCT. That has a LOT to do with genetics.

Some guys hypothalimus just notices the lack of test, and estradiol, and starts pushing out the GNRH again and fast.

For most however, it is a dissaster.

How much was he on?

I could see, if his doses were low, like < 250mg EW, then not much was turning into Estradiol, maybe he was not as badly shut down.

Some guys who have been on HRT for year still do make some, in lower amount, of LH and FSH. Hence why you cannot trust test use alone to make you sterile.

I still think he is asking for trouble. That long on, without stopping, even with low doses, and I woudl still be running for the nolva, and clomid, toghether for at least 30 days, followed by 7 days of arimidx.

What I would do in his situation.

Blood test first,

LH + FSH
Lipids
Liver
Estradiol
Test
Free-Test

Then:

Week 1-4: Nolva 20mg ED + Clomid 50mg Ed
Week 5: 10mg Nolva ED
Week 6: 5mg Nolva ED
Week 7: Arimidex 0.25 mg ED

Week 8+ Off

Week: 12 Blood test, same as before, see how I would be doing.

If that did not work, then look into TRT. Especially at age 36.