Ronald Reagan on Socialized Medicine(video)

[Logan13]

Ronald Reagan on Socialized Medicine(video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLp...eature=related

[Pooks]

he is so on point. Smart man.

[SMCengineer]

Anyone voting democrat should watch this.

[Carlos_E]

Who cares about Ronald Reagan? He's dead any way.

[Bigen12]

Who cares about Ronald Reagan? He's dead any way.

You might want to listen to it, before you shoot it down.


So we shouldn't listen to the words of MLK, since he's dead?

[Carlos_E]

You might want to listen to it, before you shoot it down.


So we shouldn't listen to the words of MLK, since he's dead?

I did listen to it. Everyone sucks Reagan's dick like he's the second coming of Christ. I have to say Martin Luther King, Jr. did more for this country than Ronald Reagan. Comparing the two is far fetched.

[SMCengineer]

^^^this thread is about the message not the messenger.

[Fat Guy]

I listened to this and I still wonder what is wrong with universal healthcare? I believe that people who are sick should receive care no matter what their economic status is. It’s the same as people in trouble receiving help from police or the fire department. I don’t know, it just seems to be the humanitarian thing to do. I am curious as to why many people are so against not helping other people in need.

[Pooks]

I listened to this and I still wonder what is wrong with universal healthcare? I believe that people who are sick should receive care no matter what their economic status is. It’s the same as people in trouble receiving help from police or the fire department. I don’t know, it just seems to be the humanitarian thing to do. I am curious as to why many people are so against not helping other people in need.

Ahem,, if u like to read books, read this please.... its not a long book and a great read..

http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One-...3360740&sr=8-1

They got USED on there for $4..

thats how I got my copy .. $4 BARGAIN!

indirectly it shows, why things like Universal Health care will slowly bleed the country towards overall poverty, weakness and you could extend that towards eventual loss of freedom too.

anyways Reagan called Universal healthcare ... Socialized Medicine.. you could also call it Nationalized Healhcare.. and that is something Hitler and Stalin incorporated also. Its a step towards losing more of our freedoms to the government.

[Fat Guy]

indirectly it shows, why things like Universal Health care will slowly bleed the country towards overall poverty, weakness and you could extend that towards eventual loss of freedom too.
anyways Reagan called Universal healthcare ... Socialized Medicine.. you could also call it Nationalized Healhcare.. and that is something Hitler and Stalin incorporated also. Its a step towards losing more of our freedoms to the government.

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

[Logan13]

You might want to listen to it, before you shoot it down.


So we shouldn't listen to the words of MLK, since he's dead?

Be careful, you don't want to offend anyone...........

[Logan13]

I did listen to it. Everyone sucks Reagan's dick like he's the second coming of Christ. I have to say Martin Luther King, Jr. did more for this country than Ronald Reagan. Comparing the two is far fetched.

If someone else had posted this, but interchanged the names, I am sure "someone" would have clicked on the "report" icon.

[SMCengineer]

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

We could go into great detail about this issue, but what it basically comes down to is that when the government sticks it's hand in to "help" the affect is usually the opposite of what is intended. Privatized health care is and always will be the better choice.

[thegodfather]

I listened to this and I still wonder what is wrong with universal healthcare? I believe that people who are sick should receive care no matter what their economic status is. It’s the same as people in trouble receiving help from police or the fire department. I don’t know, it just seems to be the humanitarian thing to do. I am curious as to why many people are so against not helping other people in need.

Well...I have to remember im speaking to someone who is in a union and a big advocate of them. Unions are another bain of this country.

Anyway...SOCIALIZED healthcare takes the choice of medical treatment out of the hands of the individual and the doctor. The Doctor-Patient relationship, and puts your healthcare choices in the hands of Beauraucrats. This means you have less freedom of choice in your healthcare and treatment because the government is now calling the shots. The quality of healthcare becomes significantly reduced. Also, the countries that you listed are significantly LESS FREE in terms of overall freedom than we are here. For instance, Germany openly discusses banning certain religions, like Scientology. Those are things more akin to a totalitarian country than here, where such discussion would not even occur.

[RA]

Excellent thread logan.

[Bigen12]

I did listen to it. Everyone sucks Reagan's dick like he's the second coming of Christ. I have to say Martin Luther King, Jr. did more for this country than Ronald Reagan. Comparing the two is far fetched.

That's a matter of opinion.

[Bigen12]

Be careful, you don't want to offend anyone...........

I didn't intend to offend anyone, if you're willing to discount the words of a great man, simply because he's dead, why not discount every dead man's words?

[Bigen12]

If someone else had posted this, but interchanged the names, I am sure "someone" would have clicked on the "report" icon.

In the words of the immortal Ronnie Van Zant,

"You Got That Right,
You Sure Got That Right!"

[LawMan018]

Unions a bane? Hah... Unions are a fantastic thing that give people rights so they cannot be fired for just anything... Not everyone can be a leader and those that aren't need a way to provide for their family... Money sure does corrupt people...

[RA]

The Unions are killing the auto industry. I live in Michigan and they have to pay guys who sit on their ass most of the day $25/hour and cant fire them. Again RR was right.

Unions a bane? Hah... Unions are a fantastic thing that give people rights so they cannot be fired for just anything... Not everyone can be a leader and those that aren't need a way to provide for their family... Money sure does corrupt people...

[Tock]

Unions are another bain of this country.

IMHO, unions are the only way that employees can defend themselves from unscrupulous managers. I'd hate to need to join one, but I'm glad they're available should worse come to worse.

[Fat Guy]

Well...I have to remember im speaking to someone who is in a union and a big advocate of them. Unions are another bain of this country.

I think your understanding of unions is like your understanding of spelling the word "bane"…. Wrong.

Live Better, Work Union!

[thegodfather]

I think your understanding of unions is like your understanding of spelling the word "bane"…. Wrong.

Live Better, Work Union!

Lol...correcting someones spelling errors on the internet is about as cool as being a drunk convicted fellon union worker...

[im83931]

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

Yes they are socialized medicine. I have done consulting for the ministry of health in Canada as well as working with England's healthcare system. We can start with Canada because its closest. If your poor old grandma needs a hip replaced it could take 2 years on the waitlist. She could die before she gets her surgery. Many RN's and MD's are not practicing in Canada as well. 10 They dont get paid as well in a socialized system (who wants to devote 12 years to becoming a DR and make the same amount of money as someone with a bussines degree. 2 They had to shut down several of the hospitals because the governement couldnt afford to keep them open.

[thegodfather]

Yes they are socialized medicine. I have done consulting for the ministry of health in Canada as well as working with England's healthcare system. We can start with Canada because its closest. If your poor old grandma needs a hip replaced it could take 2 years on the waitlist. She could die before she gets her surgery. Many RN's and MD's are not practicing in Canada as well. 10 They dont get paid as well in a socialized system (who wants to devote 12 years to becoming a DR and make the same amount of money as someone with a bussines degree. 2 They had to shut down several of the hospitals because the governement couldnt afford to keep them open.

Yea, I'll tell you what...I'm currently in college and going to Medical School within 2 years from now....I will certainly be looking towards other professions of the healthcare system becomes socialized. I could not justify devoting $200,000 in student loans, 10 years of my life, and grueling hours and pressure, to make anything less than $150,000-$300,000 a year. There is no way I will accept being payed like a school teacher, or other lowly payed government employee, for the huge investment and sacrafice it takes to become a physician.

This is just one of the ways in which the quality of healthcare suffers in a socialized system. It is less lucrative for doctors, and therefore attracts less talented people to the profession.

[Fat Guy]

Lol...correcting someones spelling errors on the internet is about as cool as being a drunk convicted fellon union worker...

Lol… I wasn’t correcting your spelling I was just illustrating your misunderstandings.

[thegodfather]

Lol… I wasn’t correcting your spelling I was just illustrating your misunderstandings.

Well perhaps you should stick to welding things together, and leave the understanding of complicated matters of this country up to those of us with college educations who actually study politics and have the ability to grasp the effects of different policies on the country.

[Tock]

Well perhaps you should , , , leave the understanding of complicated matters of this country up to those of us with college educations who actually study politics and have the ability to grasp the effects of different policies on the country.

My gosh, that's how we got into this mess in the first place . . .


I will agree, though, that there's gotta be a reward sufficiently strong to induce people to endure all those years of medical training. That's something that universal healthcare has got to do . . .

[LawMan018]

Well perhaps you should stick to welding things together, and leave the understanding of complicated matters of this country up to those of us with college educations who actually study politics and have the ability to grasp the effects of different policies on the country.

Or he could hit you over the head with a metal pipe he just welded killing you... And your college degree and study of politics won't mean crap

[Hoggage_54]

Yea, I'll tell you what...I'm currently in college and going to Medical School within 2 years from now....I will certainly be looking towards other professions of the healthcare system becomes socialized. I could not justify devoting $200,000 in student loans, 10 years of my life, and grueling hours and pressure, to make anything less than $150,000-$300,000 a year. There is no way I will accept being payed like a school teacher, or other lowly payed government employee, for the huge investment and sacrafice it takes to become a physician.

This is just one of the ways in which the quality of healthcare suffers in a socialized system. It is less lucrative for doctors, and therefore attracts less talented people to the profession.

Canadian doctors can easily make over 300k a year. Specialists can make in the 600k region. ER doctors average $170/hour.

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[Fat Guy]

Well perhaps you should stick to welding things together, and leave the understanding of complicated matters of this country up to those of us with college educations who actually study politics and have the ability to grasp the effects of different policies on the country.

Do I detect presumption from you??? You know the old cliché about assuming…

Once again I can detect your naivety of your ability to grasp public policy. I’m getting a picture of an early 20 something that is working on their 2nd or 3rd year in college and has a few political science classes under their belt who thinks they understand the world based on that…. But then again that would be presumptuous of me now wouldn’t it?

Who knows maybe this old union dog has many years of social activism and a graduate degree… but you know the typical stereotype of us Union Guys…

One more thing…
Live Better Work Union

[thegodfather]

Or he could hit you over the head with a metal pipe he just welded killing you... And your college degree and study of politics won't mean crap

Explain to me how thats relevant to the argument?

[thegodfather]

Do I detect presumption from you??? You know the old cliché about assuming…

Once again I can detect your naivety of your ability to grasp public policy. I’m getting a picture of an early 20 something that is working on their 2nd or 3rd year in college and has a few political science classes under their belt who thinks they understand the world based on that…. But then again that would be presumptuous of me now wouldn’t it?

Who knows maybe this old union dog has many years of social activism and a graduate degree… but you know the typical stereotype of us Union Guys…

One more thing…
Live Better Work Union

Lol explain to me how I have showed an inability to grasp public policy? There is a mountain of evidence against socialized medicine, and socialism in general as a system of government. Dont worry there bud, Im not a hypocrit, I'm opposed to all entitlements, not just medicine... Wellfare, HUD, WIC, etc..

WIC is probably the worst one... Woman Infant & Children, who get all their necessities for their children payed for be my, you, and the rest of the taxpayers. If you can't afford to have a child, dont expect me to pay for its diapers and formula.

Had you stuck to refuting my comment on Unions, and not tried to pick apart a spelling error, I would not have responded so rudely.

[Pooks]

Yes they are socialized medicine. I have done consulting for the ministry of health in Canada as well as working with England's healthcare system. We can start with Canada because its closest. If your poor old grandma needs a hip replaced it could take 2 years on the waitlist. She could die before she gets her surgery. Many RN's and MD's are not practicing in Canada as well. 10 They dont get paid as well in a socialized system (who wants to devote 12 years to becoming a DR and make the same amount of money as someone with a bussines degree. 2 They had to shut down several of the hospitals because the governement couldnt afford to keep them open.

This is the best post on here, first hand experience of universal health care.

BUMP.. cause it seems all u pro-universal health care conveniently skipped over it.

[Hoggage_54]

This is the best post on here, first hand experience of universal health care.

BUMP.. cause it seems all u pro-universal health care conveniently skipped over it.

I work in the finance department of a hospital and provided numbers to disprove that doctors don't get paid much.

Also, a lot of the hospitals that were closed in Ontario were caused by the previous Conservative government lead by Mike Harris that cut back billions in health care in favour of tax cuts and this caused a significant deficit in health care funding.

[thegodfather]

I work in the finance department of a hospital and provided numbers to disprove that doctors don't get paid much.

Also, a lot of the hospitals that were closed in Ontario were caused by the previous Conservative government lead by Mike Harris that cut back billions in health care in favour of tax cuts and this caused a significant deficit in health care funding.

HEALTH CARE..............IS NOT A RIGHT!

[scriptfactory]

HEALTH CARE..............IS NOT A RIGHT!

But it should be.

I live in Germany now and I have to say that the healthcare system here has it's problems but it's 100x better than the healthcare system in the US. The only downside to the whole healthcare system (IMO) is that I have to pay high taxes to take care of the people that are sick all the time...but that is really a small price to pay.

I do have to say that humans, but especially Americans, are greedy as hell nowadays. Not many people care about the homeless/poverty/healthcare situation in the States. No one wants to take care of their fellow man. I saw Kaiserslautern's (my town/city) only homeless person a week ago. I went up to her and asked WHY she was homeless. She responded with some kind of jibber-jabber which makes me realize that she is a crazy person and probably WANTS to be homeless.



I just think it's sad...

[scriptfactory]

Doesn’t Canada, Germany, England, and many other countries have socialized healthcare and they are not poverty stricken totalitarian countries…. How would the U.S. become a poverty stricken totalitarian state? If anything I think the war in Iraq is going to bankrupt the U.S

The healthcare system in Germany is pretty damned cool. I don't know about Canada or England, though.

[RA]

#1 Im certain that Canadian Drs do not make the same as American Drs.

#2 Even if they did, a 50% tax rate would take it all away.

I work in the finance department of a hospital and provided numbers to disprove that doctors don't get paid much.

Also, a lot of the hospitals that were closed in Ontario were caused by the previous Conservative government lead by Mike Harris that cut back billions in health care in favour of tax cuts and this caused a significant deficit in health care funding.

[RA]

Im not a socialist bro. You take care of yourself and I will take care of myself. I dont see why the govt should be allowed to come in and take my money to spend it on other people. Period. Its not greedy to want to keep what youve earned.

But it should be.

I live in Germany now and I have to say that the healthcare system here has it's problems but it's 100x better than the healthcare system in the US. The only downside to the whole healthcare system (IMO) is that I have to pay high taxes to take care of the people that are sick all the time...but that is really a small price to pay.

I do have to say that humans, but especially Americans, are greedy as hell nowadays. Not many people care about the homeless/poverty/healthcare situation in the States. No one wants to take care of their fellow man. I saw Kaiserslautern's (my town/city) only homeless person a week ago. I went up to her and asked WHY she was homeless. She responded with some kind of jibber-jabber which makes me realize that she is a crazy person and probably WANTS to be homeless.



I just think it's sad...