Just got my bloodwork back bigger probs than test lvl?

[BigFluff]

Do you think that this qualifies me for low test?
Okay Keeping in mind im a relatively healthy 20 y/o



TSH---> .79
Testos Total-----> 398
Testos Free -----> 14.4



Any thoughts, comments? I dont really know what that means, also

Things that came back flagged

BUN ---> 25
Creatinine ---> 1.7
Carbon Dioxide ---> 31
Albumin Total ----> 5.3

These worried me beiung 3x the reference amount

AST/SGOT ----> 114
ALT/SGPT ----> 108

[RapaciousShark]

what was your cycle? I imagine there were some orals in it, or you drink a lot.

BUN - thats the urea level in your blood, it's a nitrogen waste that the kidneys expel through your urine. If It's high it could mean you have kidney probs, but your is hardly out of the normal range which is symptomatic of a high protein diet - good job.

Creatinine - if it's high that either means you're dehydrated or you're taking supplemental creatine. I'm guessing you either take it by itself or in a protein mix. It's not that out of range - good job

Co2 - blood gas tests are for checking PH and pulmonary finction. You have a very mild respiratory acidosis - could be from kidney probs, or...alcohol consumption can cause it too. Again, not that out of range, so don;t worry.

Albumin - wheres the globulin? need to know this ratio

AST/SGOT - ALT/SGPT: these values are extremely high, as you know. They are liver enzymes, and them being high either means a)liver probs or b)kidney probs. I'm guessing your orals/alcohol/narcotics stressed the liver and your kidneys aren't expelling these enzymes fast enough. 'Wish I knew more about this one, but I think the ratio of the two is more important than composite values. You dont have jaundice (or else u'd be in the hospital) so you're not that far along yet. Just drink a lot of water, take milk thistle, and back off whatever you keep taking.

BTW - bilirubin must have been normal if these were your only flagged items, so your liver is still ok. Check that value though.

I'd say this stuff is normal for anyone taking AAS and all the associated ancillary drugs. It will totally jack your blood panel

Guessing by your test level you're either well into a cycle or just starting your PCT because that value is half of the low end of normal.

You're prob ok, just be careful

[BigFluff]

GREAT response.... this was exactly what I was hoping for, Im worried though
but I have never taken an AAS and I dont drink alcohol, maybe once a month. THATS whats got me concerned

which would be the ration you needed?


bilirubin was .2

[RapaciousShark]

never AAS? Ever? If that's the case then I'd be worried about HPTA (hypothalmus-pituitary-testes axis) problemos amigo. I didnt think it was worth mentioning but some of those values rarely do reflect pituitary diseases, which also sometimes affect sex hormones like testosterone.

Yeah, be worried. Your doc should be wanting to do more tests at this point if he doesn't already know what's wrong.

I'm no expert, but maybe if you posted the whole report, me and some more knowledgeable bros could get a better idea of whats NOT going on. Def. defer to your doctor for professional help tho man.

[lex57]

what was your cycle? I imagine there were some orals in it, or you drink a lot.

BUN - thats the urea level in your blood, it's a nitrogen waste that the kidneys expel through your urine. If It's high it could mean you have kidney probs, but your is hardly out of the normal range which is symptomatic of a high protein diet - good job.

Creatinine - if it's high that either means you're dehydrated or you're taking supplemental creatine. I'm guessing you either take it by itself or in a protein mix. It's not that out of range - good job

Co2 - blood gas tests are for checking PH and pulmonary finction. You have a very mild respiratory acidosis - could be from kidney probs, or...alcohol consumption can cause it too. Again, not that out of range, so don;t worry.

Albumin - wheres the globulin? need to know this ratio

AST/SGOT - ALT/SGPT: these values are extremely high, as you know. They are liver enzymes, and them being high either means a)liver probs or b)kidney probs. I'm guessing your orals/alcohol/narcotics stressed the liver and your kidneys aren't expelling these enzymes fast enough. 'Wish I knew more about this one, but I think the ratio of the two is more important than composite values. You dont have jaundice (or else u'd be in the hospital) so you're not that far along yet. Just drink a lot of water, take milk thistle, and back off whatever you keep taking.

BTW - bilirubin must have been normal if these were your only flagged items, so your liver is still ok. Check that value though.

I'd say this stuff is normal for anyone taking AAS and all the associated ancillary drugs. It will totally jack your blood panel

Guessing by your test level you're either well into a cycle or just starting your PCT because that value is half of the low end of normal.

You're prob ok, just be careful

i was curious why you would call this respiratory acidosis? wouldnt you need to know ph an bicarb also? and if it were kidney problems wouldnt it more likely be metabolic acidosis? just wondering.

[RapaciousShark]

metabolic/pulmonary acidosis are closely interrelated. High Co2 is indicative of them it lowers ph, the only difference is the cause. Prob isnt respiratory/pulmonary, good point. I worte that bc oxygen/carb levels in the blood make me think of the lungs.

Again, very good point.

[RapaciousShark]

lex is prob one of those "more knowledgeable bros" haha

[BigFluff]

Which parts do yall need? I went complaining of low livido, these are ed tests, I can report all of them if you like??

[RapaciousShark]

I'd be interested in seeing all of it, but there's no way I can diagnose your prob just letting you know. None of the obvious causes (AAS and such) are applicable to you, so u should just get real medical advice.

[BigFluff]

glucose 77
bun 25
creatinine 1.7
lytes---
sodium 142
potassium 3.9
chloride 101
co2 ----- 31
calcium 9.8
anion gap 11
total protein 8.2
albumin 5.3
bilirubin total .2
ast/sgot 114
alt/sgpt 108
alk phosphatase 92



tsh .79
testos total 398
tersos free 14.4


now I know why they get paid so much!

[RapaciousShark]

dude...that's all? That's less than half of a full bloodwork.

[BigFluff]

oh, thats all the bw taken

[RapaciousShark]

What did the doc say after he saw that?

[BigFluff]

He hasnt called me, he might have gotten them when I did, this afternoon, who knows if he looked at em yet

[RapaciousShark]

ah...well Dr. Shark would get more blood from you after those results. You're probably fine, i mean that liver panel is goofy but if it was that bad you'd prob. know it w/o a bloodtest. The only thing that wold worry me personally if that was my blood is the low test. Do you even have a sex drive? Normal would be 800-1000 for a 20yrold.

He'll prob look into a HPTA malfunction. That's treatable. Drinking a lot seriously lowers test as well. Drag this thread up and tell us how this unfolds, bc i think there will be some things to learn from it.

[BigFluff]

Jesus, I didn't know mine was THAT low.... so I should have seen up in the 800's anyway.... wow, thats no good

[BigFluff]

What would I look for for the liver thing? meber really noticed much, but I'm niot one to complain, it might just be slipping through without me noticing

[RapaciousShark]

What would I look for for the liver thing? meber really noticed much, but I'm niot one to complain, it might just be slipping through without me noticing

abdominal pain, jaundice, nausea/vomiting, and i think it can cause GI bleeding somehow too, in which case ur turds would be black asphalt.

You'd know, so I wouldn't trip about the liver.


As for your test, yeah thats way low. It could be lower though, so your doc might not be alarmed.

[BigFluff]

Aaaah, okay, that makes sense. What is the usual treat for hpta?

[RapaciousShark]

Depends on what's wrong, which would be easier to have a clue about if your blood test included all the hormones, for example. Once you get that the doc might be able to tell if the prob is with your hypothalamus, and if not that, your testicles, or maybe your pituitary gland.

You could have ideopathic hypogonadism, orchitis, pituitary tumor, who knows. With all the variables, it's just impossible to know.

Treatments? First thing that comes to mind is HRT. Antibiotics for an infection, surgery. They'll take care of ya tho. Unfortunately the complex nature of your problems is going to leave you and your doctor in the dark while you get all your tests done.

Could be nothing. What time of day did u get your blood taken? If it was late afternoon after you had a drink and masturbated twice...maybe that's normal. Wish I was a doc.

[lex57]

actually it may just simply be mononucleosis. which would fit many of these findings. if you're 20 years old or so maybe going to college and being in a dorm possibly or something of that nature this could be a very good possibility. or a new girl possibly. ya know........

[BigFluff]

lmfao.... priceless

[lex57]

no i am serious some of your lab values may suggest a possible infection that may cause an elevation in your liver values. mono could be a logical explanation. have you had a sore throat or been lethargic? there are many symptoms but you could also have this and be asymptomatic. seriously.

[ottomaddox]

I had mono when I was in my mid twenties and I had to take six months off from the gym, it can take a long time to start to feel better. I missed a couple of weeks of work too.

[RapaciousShark]

Didn't know that about mono/infections

again, full bloodwork might have helped - WBC

[lex57]

Didn't know that about mono/infections

again, full bloodwork might have helped - WBC

i agree 100% shark cbc would be nice huh? i dont know why they wouldnt give him that info but i guess we'll see.

[BigFluff]

actually one of the other reasons was for lethargy, I dunno if thats what he was looking at test for

[BigFluff]

Okay guys, NEW Symptoms and problems!

Its been a bit, have been pretty good, ED went away, just a bad stretch I suppose. New problem is a doozy, I get morning sickness like im pregnant, with pain in lower left, upper left and lower right sides of my abdomen. It is so bad I have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, eating doesnt help, nor does NOT eating before bed. It's kinda scary, it makes it SO hard to get up and get to work so sick all the time, its KILLING me. Comes and goes during the day as well, with it coming back at night. I also have been getting light headed during the day, I havent been eating very much, so that might be from not getting enough food, but it was so bad, working on my car today I got up off the ground and almost whited out, very white, but not the total takeover (if you know what I mean :-P) grabbed the windowsill to stop from thinking I was gonna pass out.
Any ideas? I remember a liver condition you were talking about, maybe the earlier problems were the early onset of whats going on now, any help would be great as usual, this is really scary

[lex57]

i want you to search appendicitis and its signs. right lower quadrant abdominal pain and umbilical cramping are common. look at McBurney's point also. google it, but more importantly go see the doctor immediately and tell them these things................ another common test you can do yourself is when your lying down and bring your right knee up, and if there is more pain it could be another indication of appendicitis. i could be 100% wrong but it if you almost blacked out while driving go see a doc!

[RapaciousShark]

agree with lex.

My dad had similar symptoms when he got his appendix out. Could also be colitis, diverticulitis, ulcers, gallstones, god only knows. There's so much crap in that area (no pun) that can go wrong.

Unfortunately we're not docs, so go see one. All the tests are gonna cost up the ass, but it doesn't sound like something you should ignore for the sake of money. Good luck bro.