Okay, did second pack yesterday and did chest and abs. For some strange reason I really didn't notice much at all even during the workout. And certainly nothing later in terms of pump, etc. I did take the pills an hour before my workout though and then ate a banana so I don't know if either of those would make a difference. I will take next pack on Thursday and do shoulders, so I am going to take them 30 min before and not eat anything just before or after I slam em down. We will see what happens then. Strange.....but that just seems to be my luck!!