Thanks for the reply MB but that is a lot more juice than I want to shoot. I've always thought that sust would be good based on the fact that it is a blend of testosterones that have esters with have half-lives of varying lengths (some short, some long, so that I would have some quick gains complimented with some that would show their merit over several weeks. Does that make sense?) I was thinking around 350 mg sust/week max (just a bit less based on my previous post) and maybe just a little d-bol for a kick start then something to tighten things up at the end (correct me if I'm mistaken, but win depot is the injectable form of winstrol). Just to clarify this would be my first cycle. Thanks again.