Good age to start a cycle.

[AandF6969]

I'd probably say at least 170-180 lbs... should be easily attainable with a proper diet and training.

[kojak_x]

Ok thats fine, I take your word you know what your talking about, but why is it so hard for you to take my word that I'm following a proper diet and training. I know of guys personnally that are 160lbs, around mabey 8% BF. They have been training much longer then me , about 6 years for both of them. There on the sauce by the way.
I seen the one guy bench 350lbs clean. Now Im 10lbs lighter them him.
Now the thing pissing me off is that it seems like I have to prove to you that I can't gain any more weight. Doesn't it matter that some people natrually are 225lbs of muscle, and some people are just natraully skinny.
I know that the sauce is not some magic answer, Im not a moron at 27 years old. Im not going to do something that might kill me or do me damage.
Also as for actual weight that I lift I do pretty good, (I think anyways,) 225 Sqaut (deep) same for deadlift, 205 for bench. I started real weak I started benching 65lbs ( and that was hard as hell). Oh and that 5x5 for each or 3x8 for each deadlift , squat, bench

The reason Im looking into AAS is because no matter what you guys say, (I can't spend my life trying to prove to you guys about my diet and training. I personnally truly believe I have come close or truly reached my limit. For wieght and strenght natraully. Im sure after 10 more years Im going to gain more weight and strength, mabey then I'll reach 170-185, no on the real thats along time. Im sure you guys could of reached you current weightand strength natrally in 10 years but you decided to go on the gear instead.

[kojak_x]

Im a butcher, very physical, alot of heavy lifting, You should see me carry a hind of beef on my shoulder at a 150lbs, a hind is about 190lbs of dead weight.

[kojak_x]

I don't want to give the wrong impression that I know everything I DON;t thats why Im asking you guys about something that you all know much more then me about, but just because Im 150lbs you shouldn't assume my training is completly off and so is my diet and that is whats getting me frustrated. Im just small to begin with, Im sure you guys were alot bigger then me when I started. The guys I mentioned earlier, I wounder if they got the same grief as me.